A Political Thread pt. 2

[McTallshort]

Elect a good leader. You haven't had one in a very long time.

Straight back at you

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I think American and European consumers have many options. If we can’t get Scottish whiskey, we will survive.

Of course you don’t want a trade war . Ireland specifically has gotten rich because of American pharmaceutical companies.

The status-quo is over.

Investment in Ireland is very diversified. If America uprooted completely it'd obviously hurt but that's not going to happen. US Pharma companies sponsor Irish working visas in droves for people to work over there to fill jobs they can't, it's not an industry that can be moved overnight.

 

[TommiG88]

I didn’t know the USA could produce Champagne….

 

[ChicagoKid]

Straight back at you

I'm assuming you won't be coming to RWC 2031.

Investment in Ireland is very diversified. If America uprooted completely it'd obviously hurt but that's not going to happen. US Pharma companies sponsor Irish working visas in droves for people to work over there to fill jobs they can't, it's not an industry that can be moved overnight.

Oh, they can fill them with Americans, but it often costs more. Europeans are used to low wages.

I didn't know the USA could produce Champagne….

California Rose will have to do for now. Brunch wine moms must suffer but they can fight through it.

 

[ncurd]

I didn't know the USA could produce Champagne….

No socialists in the USA to drink it anyway would be a waste.

 

[McTallshort]

I didn't know the USA could produce Champagne….

They can't. They might be able to do sparkling wine but champagne is a registered world trade mark and can only be produced in that region of France. Obviously no one told Trump

 

[Deleted member 90256]

I didn't know the USA could produce Champagne….

Temu style

Straight back at you

Interesting question tbh. Like, I think the best most of us have seen for quite some time are leaders that simply provide a continuation.

 

[McTallshort]

I'm assuming you won't be coming to RWC 2031.

Doubtful

 

[Yulia]

I liked Californian wine very much when I was there (don't remember which one was that though), it was one of the best that I tasted

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

1.) I'm 35. No one my age watches cable TV. I haven't watched Fox News since I was my grandparents' house 20 years ago.

2.) Of course I'm a nationalist. I care about the USA first and foremost. What you do in Europe doesn't impact me. If you want to continue to pay exorbitant energy prices and destroy your economy, that's fine by me.

3.) I didn't avoid the J/6 question. I said no matter how I answered it, it wouldn't convince anyone on the internet.

1) And yet you repeat the same stuff that appears there. Just because it is their talking point, doesn't mean it's exclusively theirs. These same talking points are parroted on the other right wing media systems (ie not centrist)

2) Nationalism is not simply caring about your own country first, it tends to extend to wanting your country to deal aggressively with others.

3) That is EXACTLY avoiding the question. You were posed a question and didn't respond. Doesn't matter what your reasoning is, you avoided it. You seem to have no concern about trying to convince people over the internet about a whole range of other things yet suddenly are quiet when it comes to J6 and Trump's criminality. Funny that. You are so damn transparent.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Oh, they can fill them with Americans, but it often costs more. Europeans are used to low wages.

Sp the companies are abusing the visa system? Don't tell ICE.

 

[Saintjay]

If another country or group of people were killing 100k Brits per year, would you genuinely care about the legality? As for your post, you clearly don't understand the deadliness of fentanyl. There is no legal or safe way to consume fentanyl. It's the equivalent of saying there is a safe way to swim in croc-infested waters.

No, I do not accept your premise. America passed Britain in the 1880s to become the world's largest economy. Secondly, since the Monroe doctrine in 1823 until 1941, Americans have tried desperately to let Europeans kill each other without intervening. We are an isolationist nation by our very nature. We are the descendants of people fleeing violence and oppression. Why should we look back at the old world, as it tries over and over again to destroy itself? We don't. And hopefully your tepid and toothless leaders realize this.

Now, for the first time since 1946, you are seeing American sentiment finally reset back to its original equilibrium: Let Europe Deal with European problems.

Why would you use nominal GDP instead of Real GDP? Because according to Obama's chief economist, the majority of Americans became poorer under Biden. Don't believe me, read it yourself: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/post-neoliberal-delusion


Wrong. If you want to buy our stuff, great. If not, someone else will like the Turks or Israelis. Just spend 2-3% and we are kosher.

No matter how I answer this or the January 6th question, I won't convince anyone.

I will just say I would infinitely prefer to be an American right now than a member of the UK. By almost every single metric, my children will have a better life raised in America than in the UK. And the growing gap between both places shows no sign of converging in my lifetime.

I don't know by your own admission your countries constantly in a drugs epidemic.

My kids will have a have a better work life balance certainly. They live in a place with a rich and varied history. Europe is on the door step with all of what that brings.

They have a health care system whilst not great it will be there for them if needed regardless of insurance.

They don't do active shooter drills at school because every so often your gun laws allow kids to be murdered.

My kids play sports that everyone else in the world cares about.

You might not want to be from the UK that's fine. We are not perfect as a nation but by the graces of whatever God you believe in I'm glad I'm not American.

 

[ChicagoKid]

I liked Californian wine very much when I was there (don't remember which one was that though), it was one of the best that I tasted

I'm personally partial to Argentine wine, so no impact on me.

1) And yet you repeat the same stuff that appears there. Just because it is their talking point, doesn't mean it's exclusively theirs. These same talking points are parroted on the other right wing media systems (ie not centrist)

2) Nationalism is not simply caring about your own country first, it tends to extend to wanting your country to deal aggressively with others.

3) That is EXACTLY avoiding the question. You were posed a question and didn't respond. Doesn't matter what your reasoning is, you avoided it. You seem to have no concern about trying to convince people over the internet about a whole range of other things yet suddenly are quiet when it comes to J6 and Trump's criminality. Funny that. You are so damn transparent.

1.) You vastly overestimate the power of Fox News. It isn't that impactful here. Less than 1% of the US population consumes Fox News or Foxnews.com.

2.) America is isolationist by nature. We aren't an Empire and do not want to be. And before you respond with the Philippines, Cook Island or PR, just don't. It's not convincing.

3.) You aren't asking in good faith. @McTallshort seemed genuine is his curiosity, so I answered his questions. You already admitted you cut out an old friend because of politics, which I find absurd. But it's your life. You think J6 was an insurrection and that disqualifies Trump. Myself and the majority of Americans disagree with you. I doubt we can find a middle ground on this topic.

Sp the companies are abusing the visa system? Don't tell ICE.

Why do you think we are overhauling H1B?

I don't know by your own admission your countries constantly in a drugs epidemic.

My kids will have a have a better work life balance certainly. They live in a place with a rich and varied history. Europe is on the door step with all of what that brings.

They have a health care system whilst not great it will be there for them if needed regardless of insurance.

They don't do active shooter drills at school because every so often your gun laws allow kids to be murdered.

My kids play sports that everyone else in the world cares about.

You might not want to be from the UK that's fine. We are not perfect as a nation but by the graces of whatever God you believe in I'm glad I'm not American.

Sounds good. Your ancestors made their choice and mine made theirs. We both seem happy with the outcome.

 

[Yulia]

I'm personally partial to Argentine wine, so no impact on me.

I understand you, I tasted Argentine one when I've been to Argentina in my opinion it's also similar to Uruguayan one (that I tasted in Uruguay ). But between those I'd choose Californian tbh

 

[Flankers' paradise]

I'm personally partial to Argentine wine, so no impact on me.


1.) You vastly overestimate the power of Fox News. It isn't that impactful here. Less than 1% of the US population consumes Fox News or Foxnews.com.

2.) America is isolationist by nature. We aren't an Empire and do not want to be. And before you respond with the Philippines, Cook Island or PR, just don't. It's not convincing.

3.) You aren't asking in good faith. @McTallshort seemed genuine is his curiosity, so I answered his questions. You already admitted you cut out an old friend because of politics, which I find absurd. But it's your life. You think J6 was an insurrection and that disqualifies Trump. Myself and the majority of Americans disagree with you. I doubt we can find a middle ground on this topic.


Why do you think we are overhauling H1B?


Sounds good. Your ancestors made their choice and mine made theirs. We both seem happy with the outcome.

you aren't an empire yet you have nothing in your constitution to allow states to secede 'legally' , and you're trying to force Greenland and Canada to surrender their autonomy/sovereignty to come under your umbrella under threat of economic/military 'persuasion'

 

[McTallshort]

I'm personally partial to Argentine wine, so no impact on me.


1.) You vastly overestimate the power of Fox News. It isn't that impactful here. Less than 1% of the US population consumes Fox News or Foxnews.com.

2.) America is isolationist by nature. We aren't an Empire and do not want to be. And before you respond with the Philippines, Cook Island or PR, just don't. It's not convincing.

3.) You aren't asking in good faith. @McTallshort seemed genuine is his curiosity, so I answered his questions. You already admitted you cut out an old friend because of politics, which I find absurd. But it's your life. You think J6 was an insurrection and that disqualifies Trump. Myself and the majority of Americans disagree with you. I doubt we can find a middle ground on this topic.


Why do you think we are overhauling H1B?


Sounds good. Your ancestors made their choice and mine made theirs. We both seem happy with the outcome.

You certainly seem keen on making an empire out of Canada, Greenland and Panama

 

[ChicagoKid]

You certainly seem keen on making an empire out of Canada, Greenland and Panama

Canada is all bluster.

Greenland would be nice.

Panama Canal, not Panama.

Is Bath for sale? I’d be interested.

 

[Amiga500]

The issue with Europe and the UK is not only do you have poor leaders, you also have poor economics. Say what you want about America, but we growing wealthier and inventing new trillion dollar companies seemingly every few years.

If I'm a Brit, this chart would scare me to death: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/gdp-per-capita

You aren't growing, you are getting older, your debt is growing, your safety net is buckling (see above on NHS cuts), your immigration system is broken, and you can't defend yourself without American help.

Eh?

2023, UK GDP per capita, 48,867, a factor of 35x larger than in 1960 (1398)
2023, US GDP per capita, 81695, a factor of 27x larger than 1960 (3000).

If the UK is bad, the US is worse...?

 

[McTallshort]

Canada is all bluster.

Greenland would be nice.

Panama Canal, not Panama.

Is Bath for sale? I'd be interested.

The Canadians don't seem to think so and given the tariffs it does look like America is threatening the sovereignty of it's former friend and ally. Thats the same for Denmark in regards Greenland

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

1.) You vastly overestimate the power of Fox News. It isn't that impactful here. Less than 1% of the US population consumes Fox News or Foxnews.com.

2.) America is isolationist by nature. We aren't an Empire and do not want to be. And before you respond with the Philippines, Cook Island or PR, just don't. It's not convincing.

3.) You aren't asking in good faith. @McTallshort seemed genuine is his curiosity, so I answered his questions. You already admitted you cut out an old friend because of politics, which I find absurd. But it's your life. You think J6 was an insurrection and that disqualifies Trump. Myself and the majority of Americans disagree with you. I doubt we can find a middle ground on this topic.

1) That's a flat out lie.

2) So you think Trump is bringing you back to your "isolationist" roots, yet has threatened to annex Canada, Greenland and Panama... Pretty imperialistic that. Your very founding was on walking into others land and taking it.

3) Yet you didn't answer his question on that. I don't think J6 was an insurrection, it WAS one. However, even if you don't think it was an insurrection, it was violence off the back of a lie that the election was stolen. AGAIN you ignore the questions about Trump's criminality and try to hide behind "oh you aren't asking in good faith", why don't you just come out in the open and admit it? You are an election denier, you think J6 and in general violence to overthrow a democratic result is fine and have no problem with Trumps rampant law breaking now and in the past too. Opposing these are not controversial yet this is the one aspect you are digging your heels and in refusing the explain yourself, whilst you are more than happy to do it on literally everything else. You are the one not acting in good faith here.

Let's put it in very plain yes or no questions, although I predict you will avoid giving straight answers to any:
1) Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election legitimately with none of the fraud Trump claimed?
2) Was the J6 attack criminal behaviour based on a lie?
3) Was it right for those involved in J6 to be prosecuted?
4) Was Trump wrong to make excuses for J6 and to pardon them en masse?
5) Was Trump breaking the law when he kept hold of some of the most highly classified information after leaving office?
6) Did Trump then illegally resist attempts to get that information back and lie about it?
7) Did Trump use his position to blackmail Ukraine to get dirt on Biden?
8) Is it ok that Trump has fired agency watchdogs when the president doesn't have the authority to do so?
9) Is it ok that Trump is attempting to replace 1000's of non-partisan government employees solely with yes men?
10) Is it ok that Trump has repeatedly interfered with the FBI including firing the directors when the don't do his partisan bidding?
11) Is it ok for Trump to appoint someone who has openly called for political prosecutions and who has a hit list openly published to replace the head of the FBI he illegally forced out of their position?