A Political Thread pt. 2

[Weldit]

War of drugs has been raging since what? The 70s? You'd have thought they'd gave won after nearly 60 years if cracking down was going to work.

There is no war and never was imo. The amount of money that's made and taxed via shady businesses must be huge. Sure I heard/read it softened the 90s recession.

 

[Reiser99]

There is no war and never was imo. The amount of money that's made and taxed via shady businesses must be huge. Sure I heard/read it softened the 90s recession.

Would not surprise me in the least.

 

[General Melchett]

Most governments should be addressing the root causes of poverty, crime and drug addiction, many of which are linked.

America won't though because prisons are a business there and the more people they lock up, the more profit they make. Why help people get out of poverty when it makes them less likely to commit a crime.

Of course - it applies to all Governments but I mentioned the American Govt because most Govts aren't creating a strawman argument that involves blaming neighboring countries for failing to stop the illegal flow of drugs instead of facing up to the real root causes.

 

[Sour Patch Kid]

Well it's only like 60 days in or something. So very early.

Good:
* Dismantling bureaucratic institutions
* Driving illegal border crossings to record lows
* Forcing Europeans to meet or exceed 2% GDP military spending targets

TBD:
* Lack of ceasefire in Ukraine
* Tax Bill likely to increase debt burden if passed in current form
* The Canadian 51st stuff, while funny to us, has royally ****** off America's tophat.


On the European front, I cannot tell how annoying it is for millions of Americans to hear how great the social safety net is across the pond while we provide your security guarantees. You are rightfully seeing America's foreign interest shift to Asia (Started by Obama which was a great move on his part) and leave Europe to the Europeans.

I would say that I agree with all of these but would add that not only do we have the dismantling of the institutions, but we are also getting to see where money has gone which is very eye opening and rather disgusting in many cases.

 

[Weldit]

 

[ncurd]

I won't get into the legality of using them in another country in this way as I'm not 100% even though it sounds dodgy as ****.

However, what would deploying special forces actually solve?

I would reccomend watching Narco's to how effective this kind of policy is.

Escobar and his cartel is dead, Cocaine use is massively down right? Aw dangit.

 

[Saintjay]

Most Americans wouldn't know a decent bottle of whisky if it landed on them.

As for American champagne I can't help but think it taste's like Larry cat's ****.

 

[General Melchett]

On the European front, I cannot tell how annoying it is for millions of Americans to hear how great the social safety net is across the pond while we provide your security guarantees. You are rightfully seeing America's foreign interest shift to Asia (Started by Obama which was a great move on his part) and leave Europe to the Europeans.

Do you not accept that for decades America has enjoyed and actually wanted to be the alpha male of the west from a security standpoint? That it has taken full advantage of it's leadership position and used it to turn America into a global superpower.

Western allies have enabled America to open strategic bases all over the world and assisted in various military conflicts (some of which were highly contentious) in order for it to gain advantage, achieve it's strategic goals and become a military and economic powerhouse.

I can understand why many Americans feel aggrieved at the idea of paying Europe's security bill but let's not deny the advantage that America has gained over decades whilst fulfilling a role that it wanted for so long. It is only the current administration that has suddenly changed it's tune and decided that the arrangement no longer works for them.

 

[ncurd]

snip

Shows he's not running for reelection he won Michigan by a whisker.

Would never win Massachusetts in a billion years.

 

[General Melchett]

Most Americans wouldn't know a decent bottle of whisky if it landed on them.

As for American champagne I can't help but think it taste's like Larry cat's ****.

Hopefully this results in more single malt Scotch being flogged to the EU. Much better than that sweet shite that's produced across the pond anyway.

 

[ncurd]

Do you not accept that for decades America has enjoyed and actually wanted to be the alpha male of the west from a security standpoint? That it has taken full advantage of it's leadership position and used it to turn America into a global superpower.

American defence industry will take a down tick even with extra European spending most countries will look elsewhere whilst the USA shows it as an unreliable partner I wonder how much the USA would have to spend extra on defence to make up for the inevitable lost spending.

Interoperability with the biggest defence partner was a huge selling point.

 

[McTallshort]

I know you acting i good faith here but anyone who describes themselves as center or center-left and votes Trump and thinks the Democrats are anything other than a Center party is bananas.

The Overton window shifting massively to the right is the only way that happens.

With respect I'm asking someone else a question you don't know the answer too so kindly let me ask it.

I am genuinely curious as to how and why people voted in this current US election. I honestly wish I didn't give a ****. I am sick to death of hearing about America. It's not a place I have any cultural links with and frankly couldn't give a toss about, they come across as a spoilt child who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas and now everyone has to pay for it but unfortunately who they decide to elect has a massive impact on my life. I wish that wasn't the case, I am well and truly fed up with my life being affected by a foreign election nearly as much as I'm sick of the ******* BBC going on about but life's a **** house and at least I'm not Ukrainian.

My big hope is that finally we will realise we have far more in common with nearly every other country in Europe and Australasia than we with do with America and start treating it like any other country on a different continent and that in the future a foreign election doesn't impact mine or my children's lives but until then I am curious so will ask the question.

 

[ncurd]

With respect I'm asking someone else a question you don't know the answer too so kindly let me ask it.

Understood my apologies.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Well it's only like 60 days in or something. So very early.

Good:
* Dismantling bureaucratic institutions
* Driving illegal border crossings to record lows
* Forcing Europeans to meet or exceed 2% GDP military spending targets

TBD:
* Lack of ceasefire in Ukraine
* Tax Bill likely to increase debt burden if passed in current form
* The Canadian 51st stuff, while funny to us, has royally ****** off America's tophat.


On the European front, I cannot tell how annoying it is for millions of Americans to hear how great the social safety net is across the pond while we provide your security guarantees. You are rightfully seeing America's foreign interest shift to Asia (Started by Obama which was a great move on his part) and leave Europe to the Europeans.

I find it amazing how, in all your comments about Trump, his rampant criminality and dictatorial tendencies just don't make an appearance at all...

The guy literally outdid Nixon for firing prosecutors into he gets one to do what he wants, refused to recognise the legal result of an election, supported a violent insurrection, has broken numerous laws already since returning to office and is now openly trying to use the justice department to pursue his personal grievances domestically and his diplomats to do the same internationally...

How the hell does none of that seem to factor into your decision making at all!?

 

[Flankers' paradise]

When you mention states and cities like California, NYC, Chicago, Boston, Washington DC you have to remember that these are cities that have abandoned solid, proactive policing and criminal justice enforcement in favor of restorative justice and the decriminalization of different offences. They have given up on the Broken Windows theory of policing and voted for progressive prosecutor's that have favored criminals over the law abiding citizens of their communities. This has led to greater crime and the fudging of crime reporting to make it seem like crime is down when it is up.

What do you mean by this? With all due respect that sounds like something Trump would say to criticise a non-maga city without any explanation or data into what this means

 

[AlRums]

As an American, I would bet you that 20 is a very high number.

 

[AlRums]

This is how dangerous mush is

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well it's only like 60 days in or something. So very early.

Good:
* Dismantling bureaucratic institutions
* Driving illegal border crossings to record lows
* Forcing Europeans to meet or exceed 2% GDP military spending targets

TBD:
* Lack of ceasefire in Ukraine
* Tax Bill likely to increase debt burden if passed in current form
* The Canadian 51st stuff, while funny to us, has royally ****** off America's tophat.


On the European front, I cannot tell how annoying it is for millions of Americans to hear how great the social safety net is across the pond while we provide your security guarantees. You are rightfully seeing America's foreign interest shift to Asia (Started by Obama which was a great move on his part) and leave Europe to the Europeans.

What's your view on Jan 6th out of interest? And if it's negative how do you reconcile that with voting for him?

 

[Flankers' paradise]

Let's not forget, when Trump says he wants Europe to spend more on their defence, what he actually means is he wants us to spend more on American defence exports. He said he wants Europe to look after Europe's defence, however when Europe say they will use that money to develop an independent system he says no. His stance is based solely upon Europe buying more from America. If we all spent 5% of GDP on defence spending but didn't buy any more from America he wouldn't be happy...

 

[AlRums]

The last administration was abysmal and then lied about the cognitive decline of the president. They lost the trust of millions of Americans who voted for them.

Im pretty centrist and my wife is center-left. The Democrats shifted too far left and lost. The republicans will do the same thing and lose.

It's a pendulum.

Bidens average GDP over 4 years was 50% higher than strumpets.