A Political Thread pt. 2

[Ragey Erasmus]

Egypt warned Israel days before Hamas struck, US committee chairman says

But PM Benjamin Netanyahu describes any claim Israel received a specific warning as "totally fake news".

www.bbc.co.uk

It's looking more and more like Netanyahu let this happen. Normally I'd err on the side of incompetence rather than malice but we know Netanyahu is malicious, we know he is corrupt, we know the only way he stays out of prison is by ramming through legislation to protect himself, we know he is opposed to any compromise with Palestine and his denial isn't just saying that somehow this information was missed, he is flat out denying it even existed. There is no reason for various other intelligence agencies to say he had warning days in advance and for him to keep saying no warnings were given.

Israeli intelligence services are well known for being pretty well informed too and yet apparently everyone didn't see this coming? In this case, I'm not buying it.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Hamas are vile but Israel are, at this point, genocidal oppressors. Hamas bad, Israel bad, Palestinians are totally ******* innocent.

I fear they will get exactly what they want as nearly every world power is either on their side, indifferent or incapacitated. What happens in the Holy Land will be one of history's greatest shame I believe as a people will be exterminated.

 

[Reiser99]

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

What do people think about this?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

What do people think about this?

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter

I don't think anyone can, hand on heart, call them anything other than terrorists though. They might agree with their goals, but they're trying to achieve them via....terror

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

What do people think about this?

I prefer it. Let the experts in the field label things. The AP has been referring to them as militants and I honestly prefer the more straight forward reporting.

 

[Saintjay]

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

What do people think about this?

They are consistant i guess. The BBC never branded PIRA etc terrorists according to the acticle. I agree let the person choose what they are based on informed opinion.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter

I don't think anyone can, hand on heart, call them anything other than terrorists though. They might agree with their goals, but they're trying to achieve them via....terror

I think they are both. Israel treat them like cornered rats and they get vicious. Not to excuse the killing of children but there's no examples in the world of people being treated properly and amassing thousands of militant people to kill women and children.

I think the stark contrast in reaction of countries with histories of being oppressed and being the oppressors is a real indication of this conflict. Leopards don't change spots.

Sanction Israel like Russia and the violence should reduce. Move on from then. This will never ever happen.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.

www.bbc.co.uk

What do people think about this?

Initially I was like BBC should call them terrorists because that is what Hamas are (as well as Israel Government/Nethanyayu committing War crimes in retaliation) but having read what JS says I do agree that that it is important for BBC to keep their impartiality. I am glad they are not like American tv news channels which are effectively just editorials/opinion pieces.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Hamas attack on Israel might be setback for Palestinian cause in US just as progress was in view

Despite an outpouring of revulsion across the US political spectrum, there are some calls for debate about the Israel-Palestinian conflict

www.theguardian.com

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I think they are both. Israel treat them like cornered rats and they get vicious. Not to excuse the killing of children but there's no examples in the world of people being treated properly and amassing thousands of militant people to kill women and children.

I think the stark contrast in reaction of countries with histories of being oppressed and being the oppressors is a real indication of this conflict. Leopards don't change spots.

Sanction Israel like Russia and the violence should reduce. Move on from then. This will never ever happen.

That's fair,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Israel apologist - they have been carrying out a series of abhorent attacks on the Palestinian people for the last 7 decades

What grinds my gears is people too blinded by the football mindset of "my team vs your team" to acknowledge that Hamas have also done a lot of absolutely vile things

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

That's fair,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Israel apologist - they have been carrying out a series of abhorent attacks on the Palestinian people for the last 7 decades

What grinds my gears is people too blinded by the football mindset of "my team vs your team" to acknowledge that Hamas have also done a lot of absolutely vile things

Agreed. I'm in no way pro HAMAS and they complicate the issue so much because they're just so inexcusable. But when the war is a governed state murdering innocent people vs an auxiliary army murdering innocent people I will always look towards what the state is doing wrong. And it's pretty endless in this case.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

"We made them think that Hamas were busy governing Gaza and that it wanted to focus on the 2.5 million Palestinians, all while under the table it was preparing for this big attack".

Fundamentally, Hamas etc do not believe in the right for Jews/Israel to exist in the region (or internationally at its most extreme).

 

[Bada-Bing!]

What is Hamas, the militant group that rules Gaza?

Administrator of Gaza’s health service and movement committed to the murder of Israelis – Hamas is many things

www.theguardian.com

Fundamentally, Hamas etc do not believe in the right for Jews/Israel to exist in the region (or internationally at its most extreme).

Of course they don't and what they did was specifically to draw out Israel (IDS) and their extremist politicians and counter action. And it looks like it's going to work with what is coming next and the massive military operation.

But equally it is a failure of Israel and the western allies as well to continue to allow Israel state to control the Gaza air space and Palestinian lives on a daily basis and no prospect of a two state solution.

As has been pointed out here this is not so
Clear cut.

 

[Gavin]

I mean WTF. Israel bombs Syrian airports.

Seen reports it was become an Iranian official was due to land, but seriously.



How is this not an act of war and should be condemned surely?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

I mean WTF. Israel bombs Syrian airports.

Seen reports it was become an Iranian official was due to land, but seriously.



How is this not an act of war and should be condemned surely?

The suggestion seems to be that they were expecting/directly targeting Iranian weaponry making its way to Hezbollah or their proxies.

100% need to explain asap

 

[Saintjay]

I mean WTF. Israel bombs Syrian airports.

Seen reports it was become an Iranian official was due to land, but seriously.



How is this not an act of war and should be condemned surely?

Possibley, it will be interesting to see how Iran and Syria respond. Equally if Iran or Syria have any involvement and it's proven that in itself could be interpreted as an act of war.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Possibley, it will be interesting to see how Iran and Syria respond. Equally if Iran or Syria have any involvement and it's proven that in itself could be interpreted as an act of war.

That's the key bit - can be justified if munitions were making their way through the airports facilitated by Iran/Syria

 

[McTallshort]

I mean WTF. Israel bombs Syrian airports.

Seen reports it was become an Iranian official was due to land, but seriously.



How is this not an act of war and should be condemned surely?

Looks like they missed their intended target

 

[General Melchett]

Good to know Israeli intelligence has suddenly started working again.

I wonder if we're going to see Israel fire some shots at Syria and Iran and if they dare to respond then Uncle Sam steps in.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Good to know Israeli intelligence has suddenly started working again.

I wonder if we're going to see Israel fire some shots at Syria and Iran and if they dare to respond then Uncle Sam steps in.

Very WW1 rapid escalation vibes on the precipice if that happens (which I don't think it will), as Russia would almost certainly be dragged in too