A Political Thread pt. 2

[Yulia]

I'm not getting into who is worse because it's a hypothetical question with many variables and a lack of source checked verified information. Generally speaking both are to blame.

That's an attempt to evade the question,but ok

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

So much conflict and distress in the world at the moment.

Lightening the mood a little, Keir Starmer's glitter bombed at the Labour conference. He blew it, all he had to do to win the next election was channel his inner John Prescott.

 

[General Melchett]

That's an attempt to evade the question,but ok

I've already stated my position. Blame lies from bottom to the top unless someone has a gun to their head and is being forced to do something. When a rugby team plays badly the players and coaches should be jointly responsible. I don't have to say who is worse because I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Israeli troops massing on the border with Gaza ready to go in. This is going to be a bloodbath.

 

[Saintjay]

Israeli troops massing on the border with Gaza ready to go in. This is going to be a bloodbath.

The potential for escalation is a concern with Iran and Syria potentially having been involved. Hopefully the US will try and keep the IDF in check.

 

[Gavin]

I thought restricting water and electricity was a breach of International Law and ultimately a war crime

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The potential for escalation is a concern with Iran and Syria potentially having been involved. Hopefully the US will try and keep the IDF in check.

The US won't do anything to keep things in check.
Reality is this is starting to show some cracks between the Arabic nations already UAE and Bahrain both coming out against the attacks is a very different stance than in the past.

UAE is already making warnings to Syrian over official intervention.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

3 British citizens confirmed dead and 17 missing,

Seen talk that US Special Forces have been running hostage rescue missions into the Gaza Strip in anticipation of Israel going in on foot and it becoming a bloodbath, gotta wonder if the UK is doing the same

 

[General Melchett]

If Assad (Syria) gets involved you've got to think that Russia aren't going to be able to have his back as much given they're tied up in Ukraine.

It's hard to believe that Israel didn't see this coming given theirs (and the US) highly sophisticated intelligence means.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I saw Kadyrov saying he's going to send his lapdogs to fight with/for Palestine, but much like with Ukraine: he's all mouth. Barring a land invasion from Lebanon/Syria what is he planning on doing? Smuggling them into Gaza across the Egyptian border?

It's hard to believe that Israel didn't see this coming given theirs (and the US) highly sophisticated intelligence means.

This is the thing that surprises me, too
Is it complacency? I remember an American intelligence bod saying, about 9/11, that they had no plans for it happening because they never conceived that anything like that could happen
Maybe they just thought that Hamas would never try such a large scale at attack from land sea and air all at the same time, on a national holiday too

 

[Saintjay]

Mossad are normally highly regarded. Various reports stated Egypt passed intel this was going to happen. So a real cluster **** if true.

With regards to after 9/11 i read the US have gone more into imagination planning on that basis. Now if they think it could happen even if it's outside the box they plan for it.

Israel intelligence have allegedly had a devils advocate (10th man) unit to argue alternative outcomes, planning for years.

 

[Reiser99]

The US won't do anything to keep things in check.
Reality is this is starting to show some cracks between the Arabic nations already UAE and Bahrain both coming out against the attacks is a very different stance than in the past.

UAE is already making warnings to Syrian over official intervention.

From my understanding the UAE is less support for Israel and more against any group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and other fundamentalist Islamic groups. Basically it's in the UAE's interest not to let them get more influential so that's why they have picked a side.

 

[General Melchett]

This is the thing that surprises me, too
Is it complacency? I remember an American intelligence bod saying, about 9/11, that they had no plans for it happening because they never conceived that anything like that could happen
Maybe they just thought that Hamas would never try such a large scale at attack from land sea and air all at the same time, on a national holiday too

I also read that Egypt passed on the intel and that Netanyahu responded with indifference. So either he was very complacent or he also knew about it and let it happen which gave him the excuse he needed. I really hope it's the former.

 

[ncurd]

I also read that Egypt passed on the intel and that Netanyahu responded with indifference. So either he was very complacent or he also knew about it and let it happen which gave him the excuse he needed. I really hope it's the former.

This is fairly typical the Mumbai bombings were known about but got stuck within the Indian Bureaucracy before it could me enacted upon.

Rather than grand conspiracy the reality is usually incompetency.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

As I understand it the Israeli hostages are being held in these network of underground tunnels beneath Gaza. Perhaps the massing of the reserves (reported to be up to 300k) on the border is just a ruse because those hostages aren't coming out alive if they are sent in house to house. Special forces needed and even then it might be too late if these Hamas fighters are suicidal.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

if these Hamas fighters are suicidal

This is kind of the problem with fighting religious fundamentalist extremists no? Especially when it comes to jihad "of the sword".

"We love death like our enemies love life" is the broad principle.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Inside Kfar Aza where Hamas militants killed families in their homes

In Kfar Aza, Israeli soldiers tell the BBC they have uncovered a massacre of civilians, including children and babies.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gives an idea of how this will just unite Israel. A consequence no doubt Netanyahu will use to his advantage.

 

[Saintjay]

Inside Kfar Aza where Hamas militants killed families in their homes

In Kfar Aza, Israeli soldiers tell the BBC they have uncovered a massacre of civilians, including children and babies.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gives an idea of how this will just unite Israel. A consequence no doubt Netanyahu will use to his advantage.

Unless Hamas are stupid they knew that as well. Curious to know what the motives of Hamas were other than to drum up support, a show of strength etc to those in Gaza. If the reports of burnings, beheadings etc are true no amount of saying we are freedom fighters and oppresed is going to drum up international support.

Maybe they hope of uniting other arabs nations against Israel when they see the level of wrath Israel is going to retaliate with.

The taking of hostages in the hope the retaliation won't be that bad is at best naive. Human shields / hostage taking doesn't very often work out well.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Inside Kfar Aza where Hamas militants killed families in their homes

In Kfar Aza, Israeli soldiers tell the BBC they have uncovered a massacre of civilians, including children and babies.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gives an idea of how this will just unite Israel. A consequence no doubt Netanyahu will use to his advantage.

Agreed. Israel has been drifting rightwards for a long while now and this is going to give them cover and credibility for whatever follows where they're already not being held accountable by the US and the rest of the international order, with settlements and so forth.
There's been so much backsliding on the Oslo accords that the two-state solution has basically disappeared as a possibility.

 

[SG59_]

With all eyes on this horrendous battle, do we know if Russia have any involvement in this? Feels as though they've been pushed aside and I'm not sure that's wise.