A Political Thread pt. 2

[Yulia]

I mean with israel's treatment of Palestine and in Gaza especially it doesn't take a rocket science to figure that out

I have lots of acquaintances who moved to Israel, so was thinking mostly of them when I was writing that post.
And I was talking not only about Israel, rather about the whole "area" there...it was dangerous and it will be dangerous, unfortunately.
Don't want to judge any of the fore-mentioned sides, everyone has his/her own truth, I just have a pity to ordinary people who suffer in such conflicts...
Scared to think why did HAMAS take that many hostages, maybe they plan to use them as a "human shield", I feel for those people and their families (

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Scared to think why did HAMAS take that many hostages, maybe they plan to use them as a "human shield", I feel for those people and their families (

They have used the human shield tactic so consistently that it is hardly a surprise.

It's awful, but don't expect anything better from terrorists.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

It's awful, but don't expect anything better from terrorists.

And this is the problem Netanyahu's Government's strategy has never been to implement a two state solution but to depower it. It's continued to build settlements on the West Bank, Gaza and other occupied territories unabated.

They have contributed to Hamas (no doubt backed by Iran) being voted in by Palestinians desperate for their right to determination.

Feeding into the narrative that Israel is the victim in this and not part of the solution. This is never ending. Most non- Jews want to see an end this and peace but it will never happen as long as there is no roadmap to a two state solution.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Israel is still supported on both sides of the aisle in the US.

Democratic support isn't as strong now that younger Jewish-Americans are supporting the super-pac that is okay with a two state solution.

This was never going to end peacefully. Palestinians have been living under apartheid for awhile and hamas like to live in a gray area between terrorist and separatist army. Unless someone steps in i imagine we'll see a lot more civilian deaths.

 

[Saintjay]

Killing hundreds isn't going to get anyone around the table. Hamas clearly knew what they are doing and knew they were going to face reprisals.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

And neither is treating Palastinians like vermin and denying them food, water and electricity. Netanyahu knows what he is doing as well (with his strategy) as do Hamas. Neither side want an ultimatum peaceful resolution to this. Just blame and kill each other. The vicious cycle continues….

 

[Welsh Exile]

 

[Saintjay]

And neither is treating Palastinians like vermin and denying them food, water and electricity. Netanyahu knows what he is doing as well (with his strategy) as do Hamas. Neither side want an ultimatum peaceful resolution to this. Just blame and kill each other. The vicious cycle continues….

I should have been clearer i meant both sides. As i understand it Hamas have the aim of killing all jews and wiping Israel off of the planet. It's hard to see how Hamas could negotiate from that position and how Israel would either. With so little flexibility you are correct in the cycle will continue and sadly innocent deaths. will as well.

 

[Gavin]

Seen reports that the deaths in Palestine are 1,000+ since Israel retaliated

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Judge Cannon hands Trump another legal victory with pause in classified documents case

Judge Aileen Cannon has handed Donald Trump another legal win in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case. The former president's legal team had asked the federal judge to delay his trial in that case until after the 2024 election due to delays in creating a secure facility for him to view the...

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In the USA, judge Cannon has essentially allowed the Trump team to kill the trial against him for the Mar-A-Lago documents case. The Trump team were ordered to set up a secure facility to allow examining classified documents and they simply chose not to do it. They went to Cannon asking for extra time and she didn't set a new deadline, she removed all deadlines. In essence this means the Trump team do not need to get this facility set up and the whole case simply grinds to a halt.

The fact this level of corruption is happening in broad daylight and not being punished is ridiculous, the USA is becoming a joke.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Treat people less than human, don't be surprised when they retaliate. Rarely been as proud of my country as I was today when we rejected suspension of EU aid to oppressed people occupied by a violent foreign power who wanted to leave them without power and water.

**** Israel

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Judge Cannon hands Trump another legal victory with pause in classified documents case

Judge Aileen Cannon has handed Donald Trump another legal win in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case. The former president's legal team had asked the federal judge to delay his trial in that case until after the 2024 election due to delays in creating a secure facility for him to view the...

www.rawstory.com

In the USA, judge Cannon has essentially allowed the Trump team to kill the trial against him for the Mar-A-Lago documents case. The Trump team were ordered to set up a secure facility to allow examining classified documents and they simply chose not to do it. They went to Cannon asking for extra time and she didn't set a new deadline, she removed all deadlines. In essence this means the Trump team do not need to get this facility set up and the whole case simply grinds to a halt.

The fact this level of corruption is happening in broad daylight and not being punished is ridiculous, the USA is becoming a joke.

She's one of his appointments. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

They have used the human shield tactic so consistently that it is hardly a surprise.

It's awful, but don't expect anything better from terrorists.

Terrorism rarely stems from man being treated equal. Everyone who died in the attack supported Zionism and the genocide of Palestinians. The massacre that followed was of people who wanted to live with the same opportunity as their neighbours.

**** Israel

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Everyone who died in the attack supported Zionism and the genocide of Palestinians

Even the children slaughtered while hiding in bomb shelters when Hamas were going house to house raping and murdering civilians?

Hamas don't care a jot about Palestine or Palestinian freedom, you don't have to be a supporter of Israel to see that

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Even the children slaughtered while hiding in bomb shelters when HAMAS were going house to house raping and murdering civilians?

HAMAS don't care a jot about Palestine or Palestinian freedom, you don't have to be a supporter of Israel to see that

Do HAMAS exist without partition and oppression? The trigger of the attack isn't the extremists, it's the extreme postition that radicalised them, they don't exist without it. Every last drop of blood and every last life ruined in this conflict is the fault of the state of Israel and treating Palestinians like vermin.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Do HAMAS exist without partition and oppression?

Probably, these are religious fundamentalists first and foremost - that's why they teamed up with ISIS to fight in Egypt

Then again you could argue that maybe they wouldn't be pushed towards fundamentalism if Palestine wasn't treated the way it has been the last 70 years

The world isn't black and white, it's varying shades of grey. You can be disgusted with the way Israel treats Palestine while also thinking Hamas is a truly revolting organisation who do nothing for the people of Palestine, ruling over them with an iron fist without any elections for the last 16(?) years

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Yeah I'm all aboard the **** Israel train but hamas knows where the IDF are and that's where this war needs to be fought. I know the IDF doesn't give a **** about Palestinian civilians the same way hamas doesn't care about Israeli civilians and that's why this is such a farce. There's a lot of pretext going on.

Do HAMAS exist without partition and oppression? The trigger of the attack isn't the extremists, it's the extreme postition that radicalised them, they don't exist without it. Every last drop of blood and every last life ruined in this conflict is the fault of the state of Israel and treating Palestinians like vermin.

Maybe. Are they a separatist group or are they a terrorist group? Even if there was a two state solution there could be factions of Hamas going after civilians.

I agree that this is Israel's fault. But a lot of the civilians are just existing like they are in any other war.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

What HAMAS do is absolutely vile and there's no argument there. There's just no way that they exist as they do if not for the apartheid regime, wanting to massacre defenceless people isn't a natural human desire, it's created when an authority sees a certain demographics life as less valuable than a human life and they respond accordingly. Israel's answer to the attack tells you all you need to know, a solution beyond exterminating what they see as 'animals' is as far as they'll go.

Civilian death isn't something I support but Israel cultivates Zionism across the world and obviously no more so than among its own civilians. My level of sympathy to those who sit idly by is very very low however. A nation receiving huge support to bomb the **** out of Gaza and deny it food and water is far more terrifying than the initial attack.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Even when I was at school the Jewish schoolmates I knew were inculcated with Israel is the promised land where they get sent each year for their annual pilgrimage. When men reached 18 they were encouraged return to join the IDS.

The Jewish ladies encouraged to only to marry Jewish men to carry on the bloodline. Even at weddings I attended the toast wasn't just to the bride and groom but also to the state of Israel (I did not raise my glass to this).

Schools in the area north of London are strictly only Jews (JFS being a prime example) to mix other Jewish children only and be educated in line with the non secular curriculum.

I've worked for two accountancy practices where the partners are predominantly Jewish and any discussion or criticism of Israel is clear no no. Only admiration.

Returning Jews are encouraged to return to Israel through massive beneficial tax breaks (first 10 years). One lady I worked with managed to get remote working in Israel after spending just 4 months at the UK firm, which would not have been available to any non Jewish starter. She's since had 5 boys and no intention of returning to the UK because of the childcare there is so good. They are encouraged to repopulate as much as the Palestinians will be on their side.

No way do I condone anything that Hamas has done which is utterly deplorable. But the narrative that Israeli state have not played their part (security wise and strategic) in this and all historical atrocities is false.

But they are supported globally by their allies because of strategic importance in the Middle East and created by the western guilt over the Holocaust, with no foresight what this would come to.

None of this has any ending without a two state solution which Israel has no intention of ever
Implementing even without a terrorist organisation intent on wiping them off the face of the earth.

 

[General Melchett]

I've said it before, it's no coincidence that all the **** starts under Netanyahu's watch. He got kicked out of office and then somehow scraped back into power. I wonder what the best way for him to strengthen his grip on power is? Gee let me think...

After Iraq it seems that false flag ops are harder to pull off now as it's easier to call BS when there's no evidence with so much openly available intel around via camera phones, social media etc. So what does Bibi do? Keep poking the bear until they've had enough and then create yet another narrative where Israel are the victims. Hamas are playing into his hands perfectly with their appalling actions. It's textbook. He also enjoys backing from big G7 countries who are ironically supporting Ukraine.