A Political Thread pt. 2

[Bada-Bing!]

With even leavers regretting Brexit, there’s one path back to rejoining the EU | Jonathan Freedland

It seems only a matter of time before we reverse this national act of self-harm. Especially if we learn from Nigel Farage, says Guardian columnist Jonathan Freedland

www.theguardian.com

 

[Amiga500]

The cause of the ***an's implosion has not been determined, but Cameron (James) said he presumes the critics were correct in warning that a carbon fibre and ***anium hull would enable delamination and microscopic water ingress, leading to progressive failure over time.

Yeah, well - the mixture with ***anium isn't the issue, its not like an aircraft that can experience a 100 Kelvin swing in temperature from, say, a runway in Dubai, to cruising in the tropopause.

Its just, the carbon fibre - which doesn't do so well under compression and would always be vulnerable to water ingress into the resin and from that, delamination.

I would say its surprising that OceanGate didn't know that. But, it appears many people took the time to point it out to them. So they must have known*, but ignored it out of arrogance.

*if there was any shred of doubt, they should have had an unmanned equivalent perform repeated test dives to that depth, and be well in advance of the manned boat in cycle count.
That would have been the prudent and responsible thing to do. But it appears yer man was drunk on his own koolade.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Its just, the carbon fibre - which doesn't do so well under compression and would always be vulnerable to water ingress into the resin and from that, delamination.

Yep, Cameron made this point in interviews he's done and that it would lead to a progressive failure over time unlike steel or ***anium. But he said he wasn't personally forceful enough compared to others who directly challenged Stockton Rush before it happened because he thought Rush and OceanGate had "figured it out."

But it does look like arrogance on Rush's part and he'll go down as the equivalent of Captain Smith and Ismay of the Submersible world.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

When Trump yet again doesn't fully think through a policy.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

They accept the pay review body when it gives what they want and dismiss it when it doesn't. It seems the Tories have moved from using "get Brexit done" as the thing to override all scrutiny of what a **** job they are doing to now "we must get inflation down" to justify all their **** poor economics. Has there even been a government which has so openly been basically calling for a recession? If you want evidence they know they are on the way out, look at how happily they openly admit they need to screw people over and tank the economy. At this stage they are just ensuring they leave the biggest mess possible for the next lot, which is pretty ******* sickening.

More of the above:


Honestly when have these fuckers ever left government and the NHS hasn't been on it's knees? You cannot trust the Tories with the NHS (or it seems the economy, your rights or integrity).

 

[Bada-Bing!]

BS response from my Conservative MP re: not attending the vote to support the report on Bojo:

Thank you for contacting me about the Committee of Privileges inquiry into the former Prime Minister, Boris Johnson.

After a lengthy investigation the committee issued its fifth and final report into the matter. This report was over 100 pages and was debated and voted on in the House. As this was a House matter, the vote was on the basis of a free vote. As such, it was up to individual MPs to decide whether to support the motion or not.

Whilst I support the independence of the committee and the determination by the House to uphold it, I already had existing diary commitments on the day of the debate, and it was not in my schedule to attend Parliament. It is common
for Cabinet Ministers to not be present during periods when the House debates non-Government business.

After what has been a difficult period, it is right that MPs focus on the priorities of Rishi Sunak as Prime Minister. That's what the public cares about, it is what comes up frequently when I speak to constituents, and it is vital that the Government delivers on those priorities – halving inflation, growing the economy, reducing debt, cutting waiting lists and stopping the boats.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

"That's what the public cares about"

This is the one that grates the most, the nerve of these arseholes to try to tell us what the public cares about. Arrogant prick. It's doubly bad they use that excuse and the whole "getting on with the job" when the results of them "getting on with the job" are **** poor. At some point someone in the Tory party decided that essentially rephrasing "I'm too busy to care about what you say" was a great talking point and not something that would wear out very quickly and just **** people off as the dismissive and condescending pile of crap it is.

We know for a fact that the foreign secretary for example was "busy" at a drinks meeting at the time of the Johnson vote (although he conveniently couldn't remember what he was busy doing when questioned).

These arrogant arseholes have simply got to be kicked out, they went past taking the **** a long time ago.

 

[Reiser99]

Cost to remove a migrant £63,000 more than keeping in UK

A report finds the estimated savings of removing a migrant to a "safe country" such as Rwanda are uncertain.

www.bbc.co.uk

So is the £106,000 for housing the total amount spent overall per migrant? I think so, but it's not clear.

Overall it looks like they are trying to make the sums fit the narrative, even when they don't actually do anything of the sort. I wonder if this assessment takes into account the contributions from migrants who settle here because last I checked, migrants add more to the economy than they take out...

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Cost to remove a migrant £63,000 more than keeping in UK

A report finds the estimated savings of removing a migrant to a "safe country" such as Rwanda are uncertain.

www.bbc.co.uk

So is the £106,000 for housing the total amount spent overall per migrant? I think so, but it's not clear.

Overall it looks like they are trying to make the sums fit the narrative, even when they don't actually do anything of the sort. I wonder if this assessment takes into account the contributions from migrants who settle here because last I checked, migrants add more to the economy than they take out...

Absolutely right - those in the UK need, at the very least, to be allowed to work whilst their claims are being processed

 

[Reiser99]

Absolutely right - those in the UK need, at the very least, to be allowed to work whilst their claims are being processed

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea why they aren't. Other countries allow those applying for asylum to work while they wait. My wife originally came over as a refugee and she wasn't allowed to work even though she wanted to and was more than qualified. This Rwanda plan is a ridiculous, nuclear option designed to placate a prejudiced (I'd say racist) view of immigrants and refugees. Further it's part of the government's plan to create an 'enemy' to distract those people from their own incompetence. It's not needed and will probably (almost certainly?) cost this country more money than it saves.

It's just like another nuclear option of introducing voter ID for a problem that didn't exist or trying to ban all but the most placid, peaceful protests from happening. Instead of doing it in a fair and balanced way they are taking it to the extreme to satisfy a ridiculous ideology of a few conservative voters.

 

[Gavin]

Honestly, I have absolutely no idea why they aren't. Other countries allow those applying for asylum to work while they wait. My wife originally came over as a refugee and she wasn't allowed to work even though she wanted to and was more than qualified. This Rwanda plan is a ridiculous, nuclear option designed to placate a prejudiced (I'd say racist) view of immigrants and refugees. Further it's part of the government's plan to create an 'enemy' to distract those people from their own incompetence. It's not needed and will probably (almost certainly?) cost this country more money than it saves.

It's just like another nuclear option of introducing voter ID for a problem that didn't exist or trying to ban all but the most placid, peaceful protests from happening. Instead of doing it in a fair and balanced way they are taking it to the extreme to satisfy a ridiculous ideology of a few conservative voters.

It's simple.

Make it really difficult for anyone claiming asylum to stay for the lengthy period in a hope they will leave.

But also,

Gives the government red meat for their racist supporters who think refugees want to come over here and not work but be paid for at the tax payers cost (as don't understand they ain't allowed to work, similar to they can't understand coming over on boats isn't illegal if you claim asylum)

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I've always found the view that people migrate here, either as immigrants or refugees, and then make a beeline for the benefits office absolutely absurd. Do these people really think benefits are so easy to get? My dad had to fight tooth and nail because some pen pusher decided that the medical diagnosis of autism my sister had from a very young age was not good enough and she would need to re-apply and prove again that she had autism. Said pen pusher decided she didn't and was trying to override a medical diagnosis reinforced over years. But sure Brian, tell me how easy it is to get benefits.

Also the claim that these people just want to laze about, because lazy people are so well known for getting up off their arses and travelling thousands of miles and go through tons of legal work just to sit on their arses somewhere else...

The worst culprits are people who no doubt whinge about said immigrants whilst calling themselves good, 'onest, 'ard workin Bri'ish.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Showing them newspaper articles and clippings my arse. Talk about incriminating himself. Lock him up!

 

[General Melchett]

It's clearly not the case but let's suppose people were making a beeline for the benefits office as soon as they arrive in the country. How is that any worse than profiting from dodgy COVID contracts or the mini budget at the tax payer's expense?

I've overheard lazy Brits moaning that they have to wait for a doctor's appointment because all the foreigners are always first in line or first on the phone I'm the morning. That's not the fault of immigrants - it's the fault of the Tories ruining the NHS FFS. How the red wall brigade can't see that is beyond belief.

 

[Reiser99]

It's clearly not the case but let's suppose people were making a beeline for the benefits office as soon as they arrive in the country. How is that any worse than profiting from dodgy COVID contracts or the mini budget at the tax payer's expense?

I've overheard lazy Brits moaning that they have to wait for a doctor's appointment because all the foreigners are always first in line or first on the phone I'm the morning. That's not the fault of immigrants - it's the fault of the Tories ruining the NHS FFS. How the red wall brigade can't see that is beyond belief.

Combination of reasons, but one of the big ones is it's easy to target people who look and sound different from you. Tbh those red wall voters have far more in common with ordinary foreign workers than they do with rich, elites who don't struggle day to day. However, appearance and accent are more easily identifiable than someone's bank account. The Tories actively target this by blaming anyone different for Britain's problems. Another major reason is that blaming those in charge also means they have to accept responsibility for voting them in.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

BBC News - Senior doctors back strike action in England

Senior doctors back strike action in England

A 48-hour walkout by consultants will follow five-day strike by junior doctors in England.

www.bbc.co.uk

Consultants going on strike too. The NHS is being brought to its knees by the Tories and still the Brexit fanbase cheer for it and slag off anyone striking. I don't think these prime have the intelligence to realise just how seriously the Tories have ****** things up. Genuinely another term with them in power could be the end of the NHS, which is what they have wanted all along. Imagine thinking losing 1/3 of your pay in real terms, nearly all of it under the Tories, it's a success. Record low nursing and doctor retention, record numbers leaving, record low training of new ones and record low replacements immigrating. There is no way they haven't intentionally set it up to fail for ideological reasons. COVID was a very convenient cover that allowed then to accelerate it, as shown by the fact no other developed healthcare systems are going through the same problems.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Showing them newspaper articles and clippings my arse. Talk about incriminating himself. Lock him up!

Staggering really isn't it? When tapes were released showing Nixon was guilty, Republicans turned on him. There are mountains and mountains of evidence far surpassing that which proved Nixon's guilt showing Trump is guilty and still Republicans defence him. When the actions of the Republicans during the Nixon era can be compared to favourably in terms of integrity and morality, then you really have fallen far. The thing is, the far right really don't know or don't care about what a cesspit their ideology is now. The entire right wing ideology in the USA now is culture wars and "owning the libs", there is literally no other stance they have, it is wholly destructive.

We have similar here but to a lesser degree, the Tories are fully on board with waging culture wars whenever they can and blaming the left / remainers for all the ills they have created.

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Can Prince William navigate politics and privilege to cut homelessness?

There is some cynicism about Prince William - a wealthy landowner - pledging to tackle homelessness.

www.bbc.co.uk

Deluded (solving Homelessness on £3m) or has his heart in the right place?