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A Political Thread pt. 2

Sad thing is if not for covid Trump prob would've won looking at these numbers.
Sad that it prob taken a pandemic to get him out.

Michigan is sooooooooooooo close.
 
Wonder if Trump regrets talking so much **** about mccain
Arizona is like Texas and Georgia it's shifting Democrat due to tax breaks and large firms setting up there. That's leading to people outside the state to move there and these firms employ people who skew Democrat. The company I work for has set massive offices in both Phoenix and Atlanta.

The democrats have the popular vote sewen but it's very likely in a few elections time they'll have the electoral college done as well.
 
Arizona is like Texas and Georgia it's shifting Democrat due to tax breaks and large firms setting up there. That's leading to people outside the state to move there and these firms employ people who skew Democrat. The company I work for has set massive offices in both Phoenix and Atlanta.

The democrats have the popular vote sewen but it's very likely in a few elections time they'll have the electoral college done as well.


It is but you also had the republican senator backing Democrats and the likes of the mccain family backing them.
Mccain was senator for like 30 years.



Wayne County gonna dominate for the Dems now in Michigan.
 
If Biden wins Michigan, Nevada and Wis he would've won the election by 1 vote.
If that happens Trump will not let this result settle for a long time
 
That extra vote Biden picked up in Nebraska looks crucial. He can get there without Pennsylvania. Win Michigan and Wisconsin and avoid a slip up in Nevada and he gets to exactly 270.

Looks like Wisconsin is headed for a recount anyway.
 
Yeh odds have shrunk a lot in the last 5 mins or so.
UK press seem behind the press in this currently.
That was my impression last night when I went to bed with the BBC calling it "on a knife edge" while Smarkets had Trump @1.3. Looking at the odds when I woke up (late) this morning, they were about right. Whether this was thanks to shrewd analysis or being slower to pick up the trends that the rest of the MSM was following is another question.

Whichever way you look at it, the swongs have been nuts - Biden had a 27% chance around 4am GMT, versus a 77% chance now. Congratulations to the shrewdies who have made bank out of this. I'm not trying to aftertime any of this - this is the most attention I've ever paid to a US election, but wasn't the way that this has played out entirely predictable? This guy predicted most of what has played out a couple of days ago
 
Any reason why Biden's odds have/are plummeting? I don't really see what's happened following the papers?
 
Ohio is Red. Normally this state is the one that signals the election result.
Historically yes, but it's drifted firmly into the red camp in the last few years. Another of the states Trump needed to have a chance while Biden could miss and still win.
 
So In terms of presidential candidates by popular vote.
1. Biden (2020)
2. Obama (2012)
3. Trump (2020)
4. Obama (2008)
5. Clinton (2016)
6. Trump (2016)

Gives you an idea of turnout is both these two candidates will most likely finish in the top 2.
 
That extra vote Biden picked up in Nebraska looks crucial. He can get there without Pennsylvania. Win Michigan and Wisconsin and avoid a slip up in Nevada and he gets to exactly 270.

Looks like Wisconsin is headed for a recount anyway.
If this guy is as sharp as he appears to em, PA shouldn't be a problem:

 
Any reason why Biden's odds have/are plummeting? I don't really see what's happened following the papers?
According to my (super weak) reading of it, it's because people have woken up and realised that there are a huge number of postal votes, that will take a long time to count and that they will favour Biden massively. Trump starting to kick off might have been taken as an indicator of the fact that he knows he's lost too.
 
Cause they are panicking re Michigan IMO which saw him go from 2K up on biden to like 20K up.
Bookies are not considering something like Wayne county still has 40% of votes to be reported and Oakland.
Who are these bookies who set their own prices these days? Surely they just offer a few ticks under exchange prices. Even if they wanted to do so, they wouldn't be in business for long if they deviated far enough from the market to create arbs.
 
Early morning it was still a case of would the mail in ballot go as predicted so bookies were hedging their bets probably trying to convince people to vote Trump. Now both Micigan and Wisconsin are proving those predictions correct it means Biden is likely to win. Also Trump's move was a ket indicator he'd been told he was going to lose.

And yes this is exactly how it was predicted in a 'close' election the only other thing that was likely was a Biden blowout which didn't happen.
 
Real Maths time on of the misleading numbers as things haven't been reported in. So a state reporting 51% for Trump isn't actually reporting that its 51% of counted votes.

So PA as an example isn't actually 55% (T) and 44% (B), its 25% unknown 33%(B) and 41.25(T) still huge margin to make up (8.25%), but for it to be dead tie ((25-8.25)/2)+8.25) = 16.625. That means PA remaining vote needs to skew 66.5% (B) and 33.5%(T).
PA is 50% mail in ballot and that's mainly what is left to count.

This was just an exercise in explaining why Trumps lead even there is not solid.
 
Real Maths time on of the misleading numbers as things haven't been reported in. So a state reporting 51% for Trump isn't actually reporting that its 51% of counted votes.

So PA as an example isn't actually 55% (T) and 44% (B), its 25% unknown 33%(B) and 41.25(T) still huge margin to make up (8.25%), but for it to be dead tie ((25-8.25)/2)+8.25) = 16.625. That means PA remaining vote needs to skew 66.5% (B) and 33.5%(T).
PA is 50% mail in ballot and that's mainly what is left to count.
Thanks for that, the reports I'd read were based on the defeict to be made up, not on percentages, but what you say makes perfect sense. The guy whose Tweets I keep parroting seems to think that the PA postal vote is sufficiently in favour of Biden to make up that gap:

 
Thanks for all of the explanations in this thread guys. When I woke up all of the overnight coverage was extremely down on Biden's chances, but I guess mail ins and their tendency to skew blue make this a pretty unprecedented election, which I'm surprised wasn't anticipated. Will be following on the coverage now, but very glad I didn't stay up.
 
Pennsylvania: T+619k ~1330k TBC

Wisconsin: B+21k ~97k TBC

Arizona: B+131k ~468k TBC

Georgia: T+104k ~373k TBC

Michigan: T+27k ~671k TBC

Nevada: B+8k ~164k TBC

WI, MI, Penn & Nev are mostly counting early/mail ballots which heavily skew Dem, Georgia are mostly counting Atlanta which comfortably skews Dem
 
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