A Political Thread pt. 2

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

I find that whole thing odd tbh. Yes it's wrong and needs to be investigated, but I don't doubt for second far, far more is going on in Westminster than this. PPE, donations etc.

This is such a weird take, there is questionable behavior, profiteering etc, but this is a large scale police investigation with now sitting MSPs being arrested... It's clearly not the same.

Until there is police arresting the head of the Tory or Labour party and sitting MPs, it's just not comparable.

 

[SG59_]

This is such a weird take, there is questionable behavior, profiteering etc, but this is a large scale police investigation with now sitting MSPs being arrested... It's clearly not the same.

Until there is police arresting the head of the Tory or Labour party and sitting MPs, it's just not comparable.

You really think they would let that happen? As @Reiser99 said, they'd just make it legal.

They wouldn't dare open that can.

 

[General Melchett]

This is such a weird take, there is questionable behavior, profiteering etc, but this is a large scale police investigation with now sitting MSPs being arrested... It's clearly not the same.

Until there is police arresting the head of the Tory or Labour party and sitting MPs, it's just not comparable.

No this is a weird take. They'll never be comparable until the both sets of parliamentary rules are identical. Westminster rules allow for sleaze and cover ups to take place whereas at least in Scotland it seems that politicians are held to account more which has to be a good thing. If MSPs had profited from PPE contracts I'm sure there'd be even more arrests. This guy hasn't been charged with anything yet and so let's not jump to conclusions.

I think you're maybe just a bit sore because the SNP are calling out how much of a spectacular failure Brexit is and will continue to be.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

No this is a weird take. They'll never be comparable until the both sets of parliamentary rules are identical. Westminster rules allow for sleaze and cover ups to take place whereas at least in Scotland it seems that politicians are held to account more which has to be a good thing. This guy hasn't been charged with anything yet and so let's not jump to conclusions.

I think you're maybe just a bit sore because the SNP are calling out how much of a spectacular failure Brexit is and will continue to be.

Nothing about this case has suggested it's about Parliamentary rules at any point, or the police wouldn't be involved?

I've also not made any assumptions of guilt or that he's been charged, simply said that he's been arresed.

I also, as I have said on here a million times, backed remain...

 

[General Melchett]

Nothing about this case has suggested it's about Parliamentary rules at any point, or the police wouldn't be involved?

I've also not made any assumptions of guilt or that he's been charged, simply said that he's been arresed.

I also, as I have said on here a million times, backed remain...

We don't have the full facts yet. I just think it's healthy and more transparent that the police have the power to step in and conduct their investigation fully. We've yet to see anything remotely close to that with the alleged PPE profiteering within Johnson's government not to mention any shady party donatios/ funding.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

We don't have the full facts yet. I just think it's healthy that the police have the power to step in and conduct their investigation fully. We've yet to see anything remotely close to that with the alleged PPE profiteering within Johnson's government.

There is a police investigation ongoing into PPE though, with Mone quite publicly at the centre of it?

On a side note though, it stresses the importance for this - https://www.parliament.scot/bills-a...om-office-and-recall-scottish-parliament-bill

 

[General Melchett]

There is a police investigation ongoing into PPE though, with Mone quite publicly at the centre of it?

Great. I look forward to seeing any Tory ministers or ex ministers who are guilty of wrongdoing being arrested and charged.

 

[SG59_]

There is a police investigation ongoing into PPE though, with Mone quite publicly at the centre of it?

Come on. We all know that's unlikely to result in anyone being charged etc. Westminster is a house of cards. They won't let one fall out of fear of them all going.

 

[Saintjay]

No this is a weird take. They'll never be comparable until the both sets of parliamentary rules are identical. Westminster rules allow for sleaze and cover ups to take place whereas at least in Scotland it seems that politicians are held to account more which has to be a good thing. If MSPs had profited from PPE contracts I'm sure there'd be even more arrests. This guy hasn't been charged with anything yet and so let's not jump to conclusions.

I think you're maybe just a bit sore because the SNP are calling out how much of a spectacular failure Brexit is and will continue to be.

Pretty big difference between parliamentary rules and criminal law. Both Starmer and Borris have recently been investigated for criminal offences ie breach of covid regs. Sleaze and cover ups as distasteful as they are aren't necessarily against the law. Otherwise the Met would be snowed under with reported crimes involving parliment. The police in England and Wales are meant to record all reported crimes. Unless they can show a crime hasn't been commited.

It would appear Police Scotland clearly think the SNP have broke the law,. To arrest and seach premises you've got to have a reasonable suspicious and some evidence an offence took place.

 

[SG59_]

Pretty big difference between parliamentary rules and criminal law. Both Starmer and Borris have recently been investigated for criminal offences ie breach of covid regs. Sleaze and cover ups as distasteful as they are aren't necessarily against the law. Otherwise the Met would be snowed under with reported crimes involving parliment. The police in England and Wales are meant to record all reported crimes. Unless they can show a crime hasn't been commited.

It would appear Police Scotland clearly think the SNP have broke the law,. To arrest and seach premises you've got to have a reasonable suspicious and some evidence an offence took place.

No one is disputing they shouldn't be investigated. I'm saying, I don't think for a second similar crap isn't going on in Westminster but it's all "fine" in their eyes.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

No one is disputing they shouldn't be investigated. I'm saying, I don't think for a second similar crap isn't going on in Westminster but it's all "fine" in their eyes.

In the eyes of the police you mean? Who is "their"?

 

[Reiser99]

I remember when the Met investigated the government.

It was completely transparent and independent.

Met Police 'stitch up' claim as Javid's brother oversees Partygate complaints

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Bas Javid, sibling of Sajid Javid, is the second highest ranking officer in the department that decided not to investigate the force’s handling of the gatherings

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[General Melchett]

Pretty big difference between parliamentary rules and criminal law. Both Starmer and Borris have recently been investigated for criminal offences ie breach of covid regs. Sleaze and cover ups as distasteful as they are aren't necessarily against the law. Otherwise the Met would be snowed under with reported crimes involving parliment. The police in England and Wales are meant to record all reported crimes. Unless they can show a crime hasn't been commited.

It would appear Police Scotland clearly think the SNP have broke the law,. To arrest and seach premises you've got to have a reasonable suspicious and some evidence an offence took place.

Maybe Police Scotland deserve credit for showing the Met how to police properly.

Whether it's parliamentary rules or criminal law breaking, the system in Westminster is broken if any financial wrong doing by Government ministers can be covered up. FWIW I hope any SNP party officials guilty of wrongdoing are held to account just like with the PPE investigation in Westminster.

 

[SG59_]

In the eyes of the police you mean? Who is "their"?

Politicians of course. I doubt Boris Johnson thinks he's done anything wrong even now.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

This is some serious "But the last Labour government..." going on,

SNP treasurer arrested...YEAH BUT BUT LOOK OVER THERE

 

[McTallshort]

Politicians of course. I doubt Boris Johnson thinks he's done anything wrong even now.

What's Boris Johnson got to do with the treasurer of the SNP getting arrested?

 

[SG59_]

What's Boris Johnson got to do with the treasurer of the SNP getting arrested?

You asked who were "their" and I said. The SNP should and are being investigated, I just wondered what else like this is going on without our knowledge.

I don't believe for a second the SNP are the only ones doing appalling stuff like this.

 

[SG59_]

This is some serious "But the last Labour government..." going on,

SNP treasurer arrested...YEAH BUT BUT LOOK OVER THERE

If this is directed at me, not at all. I don't even support Labour tbh. I just wonder how much more of this is going on without our knowledge.

 

[McTallshort]

You asked who were "their" and I said. The SNP should and are being investigated, I just wondered what else like this is going on without our knowledge.

I don't believe for a second the SNP are the only ones doing appalling stuff like this.

So what if they aren't?

 

[SG59_]

So what if they aren't?

I'd be very surprised. A lot is probably legal, but that doesn't make it right either.