A Political Thread pt. 2

[McTallshort]

Royal Engineers so very likely.

Ouch!

 

[BrokenWing]

No way the army are making aeroplanes.

 

[Gavin]

Ralph Yarl: Black teen shot at doorstep after ringing wrong doorbell

Ralph Yarl's parents sent him to pick up his brothers, but he arrived at the wrong address.

www.bbc.co.uk

Protests erupted in Kansas City, Missouri, over the weekend after a homeowner shot a black teenager twice who rang their doorbell by mistake.

Ralph Yarl, 16, was trying to pick up his brothers from a friend's house on 13 April, but went to the wrong address.

The suspect shot Mr Yarl through his door.

Police have released the shooter from custody but not identified them.

Aye sure, more guns make USA safer...

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Ralph Yarl: Black teen shot at doorstep after ringing wrong doorbell

Ralph Yarl's parents sent him to pick up his brothers, but he arrived at the wrong address.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aye sure, more guns make USA safer...

"In Missouri, a person taken into custody for a felony investigation must be released or charged within 24 hours."

How the **** has he not been charged?

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

"In Missouri, a person taken into custody for a felony investigation must be released or charged within 24 hours."

How the **** has he not been charged?

In missourah it's reasonable self defense to shoot a black person on your property or something.

 

[Gavin]

"In Missouri, a person taken into custody for a felony investigation must be released or charged within 24 hours."

How the **** has he not been charged?

There's a suggestion the police are determining whether the shooter's action can come under 'stand your ground' law

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

There's a suggestion the police are determining whether the shooter's action can come under 'stand your ground' law

Lol, just l o ******* l. If a jury wants to do that then not much you can do but the police/DA can't be that dense.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

There's a suggestion the police are determining whether the shooter's action can come under 'stand your ground' law

I'm pretty sure the "stand your ground" laws aren't so broad as to just let you shoot anyone you please from your home. There's got to be a reasonable belief of a threat. A black person ringing your doorbell simply shouldn't be deemed reasonable threat. If they deem it is, then those states are essentially at the level of lynching as it's making murdering black people legal (because let's face it, if he was white this would already be over and he'd have been charged).

 

[Reiser99]

Of course he was a threat, he's black, that's enough. White people know black people only come to their neighbourhood to attack them, it's obvious.

Seriously, what's worse is the claim that the guy shot him a second time when on the floor. First could can claim is self-defence (although absolute BS), but no way you can claim shooting a kid on the floor is self-defence. America is so ****** up.

 

[Saintjay]

One of the reasons Tony Martin was at first found guilty i believe. The first shot wasn't necessarily the issue, the second shot "executing" the burglar in the garden was.
The USA is f*#ked. Crazy gun laws. Fear of black violence and gun crime fed by the right. I believe Kansas City has a really high murder rate, and black on black killings. A country of people living in fear because of what the powers that be created, where shoot first is a reasonable option.
I remember some SA posters here had no issue with shooting through a door if you think you've been broken into. This was when Oscar Pistorius was arrested. The argument being you don't live in a gated community with guards. Where people break into homes and kill the occupants on a semi-regular basis. British life doesn't have the fear of murder and gun crime like other countries.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

South Dakota Governor Proudly Says 2-Year-Old Granddaughter Already Has a Rifle and Shotgun

“She already has a shotgun and she already has a rifle and she’s got a little pony named Sparkles too,” Kristi Noem said

www.thedailybeast.com

The USA is a very sick nation when it comes to guns. All common sense has long gone.

 

[McTallshort]

One of the reasons Tony Martin was at first found guilty i believe. The first shot wasn't necessarily the issue, the second shot "executing" the burglar in the garden was.
The USA is f*#ked. Crazy gun laws. Fear of black violence and gun crime fed by the right. I believe Kansas City has a really high murder rate, and black on black killings. A country of people living in fear because of what the powers that be created, where shoot first is a reasonable option.
I remember some SA posters here had no issue with shooting through a door if you think you've been broken into. This was when Oscar Pistorius was arrested. The argument being you don't live in a gated community with guards. Where people break into homes and kill the occupants on a semi-regular basis. British life doesn't have the fear of murder and gun crime like other countries.

Tony Martins problem was instead of calling the police straight after the shooting, he left the scene and went to his mum's. He then waited for the police to turn up to arrest him. Had he just called the police straight away, stayed at the farm and waited for them to arrive, in the words of his defence lawyer "no jury in the land would have convicted him"

 

[Reiser99]

I was going to say that the shooter hadn't been charged because the victim was black based on this incident where Kaylin Gillis was killed.

Kaylin Gillis: Woman shot dead in New York state after friend pulled into wrong driveway

Kaylin Gillis is shot when the car she is in pulls into the wrong driveway in rural New York state.

www.bbc.com

But it seems he now has been charged.

Ralph Yarl: Man charged with shooting boy who knocked wrong door

A prosecutor says there was a "racial component" to the white homeowner's shooting of the black teen.

www.bbc.com

Still I doubt they hesitated about stand your ground laws in the case of Kaylin Gillis. Also I see the guy who shot Ralph Yarl is 84, so even if he is convicted I doubt he'll actually go to prison and depending on the jury they could well let him off based on stand your ground laws. Certainly his defence team will portray him as a elderly, vulnerable man who was afraid for his life.

 

[Reiser99]

Also don't think anyone linked this one. Tbh there are so many shootings it would need it's own thread to post them all.

Alabama shooting: Phil Dowdell died saving sister's life

Alexis Dowdell tells the BBC her 18-year-old brother pushed her to the floor as gunfire erupted.

www.bbc.com

But yeah, guns make people safer.

 

[McTallshort]

Follow the money. Every time there is a high profile mass shooting gun sales go up not down. The American gun industry doesn't want an end to mass shootings anymore than then pharmaceutical companies want an end to opium dependence. That's why they pump so much money through the NRA to lobby and fund republican politicians so they can block any common sense laws coming in. Its not about protecting 2nd amendment rights it's about protecting the gun manufacturers profits.

Agree there should be a separate thread for this and all things American politics

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Deluded. No. 1 priority?

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Deluded. No. 1 priority?

The irony of it coming from a member of that party though...

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Speaking of the SNP, Colin Beattie has just been arrested.

 

[SG59_]

The irony of it coming from a member of that party though...

I find that whole thing odd tbh. Yes it's wrong and needs to be investigated, but I don't doubt for second far, far more is going on in Westminster than this. PPE, donations etc.

 

[Reiser99]

I find that whole thing odd tbh. Yes it's wrong and needs to be investigated, but I don't doubt for second far, far more is going on in Westminster than this. PPE, donations etc.

Yeah, but Westminister write the rules to keep the loop holes there. Remember their mantra, no rules were broken, even it was completely unethical.