5 vital players for each country ahead of the world cup?

[ratsapprentice]

Go troll someone else mate.

Ahh, the magic phrase that always makes trolls stop trolling... it's a little like telling a rapist, "NO!" - works every time.

 

[goodNumber10]

Ahh, the magic phrase that always makes trolls stop trolling... it's a little like telling a rapist, "NO!" - works every time.

Lol! What an analogy...

Anyway it's not a plea for him to stop... It's an observation that it's pointless because i've coupled it with blocking him.

Also, stop trolling me @ratsapprentice.....

 

[valley commando]

That doesn't make him any less vital to England, the captain of any side is one of the most important players on the team.

Go troll someone else mate.

Troll thats your pathetic answer for any comment you dont agree with, grow up mate.

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Ahh, the magic phrase that always makes trolls stop trolling... it's a little like telling a rapist, "NO!" - works every time.

Another knob who uses the stupid term troll, thing is you wouldnt make comments like that face to face, your an idiot.
In fact there seems to be quite a few England fans who resort to insults if they dont agree with others posts.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

Ahh, the magic phrase that always makes trolls stop trolling... it's a little like telling a rapist, "NO!" - works every time.

Tbh I'd rather rape wasn't brought up at all. God awful subject anyway, and there's always a risk that it's trivialized through comparison, analogy, etc.

As for valley commando, I think he must be joking? It's an excellent impression if he is, utterly baffling if he isn't.

 

[chippieolamus]

Troll thats your pathetic answer for any comment you dont agree with, grow up mate.

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Another knob who uses the stupid term troll, thing is you wouldnt make comments like that face to face, your an idiot.
In fact there seems to be quite a few England fans who resort to insults if they dont agree with others posts.

3/10 must troll harder

 

[ratsapprentice]

Tbh I'd rather rape wasn't brought up at all. God awful subject anyway, and there's always a risk that it's trivialized through comparison, analogy, etc.

...Maybe, if you are incapable of thorough critical logical processing.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

thorough critical logical processing.

You mean "thinking"? This isn't the place to discuss anyway, PM if you want?

 

[ratsapprentice]

I'm fine thanks, I have no issue with using rape as an analogy.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

I'm fine thanks, I have no issue with using rape as an analogy.

Whatever. On with the thread, apologies for brief derailment.

 

[TobesHodges]

Anyone that say's Robshaw is poor or shouldn't be in the England shouldn't be in these forums..

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Robshaw is a strange guy to analyse, he's almost uniquely suited to England. I don't think I'd have him in a fully fit starting XV of any of the Tri-Nations sides, Ireland or Wales. Saying this he's irreplaceable for England and has really been the answer to their backrow problems. He's not a traditional flanker and it works because England don't have a traditional backrow unlike most of the other teams named, barring maybe Ireland and South Africa who share the roles across all three players.

 

[j'nuh]

I think the only reason Robshaw isn't popular amongst non-English fans is that they wouldn't want to sacrifice a breakdown specialist at 7 for him. But I think a lot of teams would be happy with Robshaw as a 6.

 

[goodNumber10]

Robshaw is a strange guy to analyse, he's almost uniquely suited to England. I don't think I'd have him in a fully fit starting XV of any of the Tri-Nations sides, Ireland or Wales. Saying this he's irreplaceable for England and has really been the answer to their backrow problems. He's not a traditional flanker and it works because England don't have a traditional backrow unlike most of the other teams named, barring maybe Ireland and South Africa who share the roles across all three players.

but importantly he's the English captain, and anyone who doesn't understand the captain of a team like England is incredibly vital to their cause is clearly a moron....

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

but importantly he's the English captain, and anyone who doesn't understand the captain of a team like England is incredibly vital to their cause is clearly a moron....

Yeah, replacing him with anyone but the likes of McCaw simply wouldn't work! It'd be like an Etzebeth for O'Connell trade over here, no thank you!

 

[TobesHodges]

I think Mccaw is most similar to Robshaw, just do what you like as long as your smashing everything and hitting every ruck like it's your last..

 

[michaelbolton]

the only thing vital George Ford is going to be doing is keeping the number 12'a seat warm on the touchline for 75 minutes before he gets his token jog on whilst Faz moves to 12.



My 5:

01: Ben Youngs - controls the games pace, the tactics will revolve around him.
02: Owen Frazzle! - goal kicking
03: Corbisiero - need scrum dominance in a way I don't see with Marler and Vuni
04: Launchbury - breakdown (standard)
05: Chris Robshaw - The captain has to be one fo the most vital people in the sqaud/team, he will control pretty much everything.

I really can't tell if you are being serious here.. Normally talk fairly decent sense but I agree with 3 of these. Corbs of 2011-2013 yes probably best loosehead in the world but since his injury he has been about 5th choice for England. Either because of law change or he didn't recover properly.

Farrell dear God please be joking, Ford was such a huge leap forward from what we have had. I think I may be the only one but I actually wouldn't mind him at 12 but to say vital is probably pushing it because his goal kicking, playing 10 and playing 12 can all be done by other players to similar levels.

Robshaw purely for being a leader on the field I will let you get away with but as a player, again I feel like Kvesic could do just as good a job (I think better but this may just be me), and we do now have some leaders on the field spread out (Haskell, Wood, B Youngs, either 10, Barritt). So although he would be missed I don't think it would be as catastrophic as say losing Launchbury.

 

[goodNumber10]

I really can't tell if you are being serious here.. Normally talk fairly decent sense but I agree with 3 of these. Corbs of 2011-2013 yes probably best loosehead in the world but since his injury he has been about 5th choice for England. Either because of law change or he didn't recover properly.

Farrell dear God please be joking, Ford was such a huge leap forward from what we have had. I think I may be the only one but I actually wouldn't mind him at 12 but to say vital is probably pushing it because his goal kicking, playing 10 and playing 12 can all be done by other players to similar levels.

Robshaw purely for being a leader on the field I will let you get away with but as a player, again I feel like Kvesic could do just as good a job (I think better but this may just be me), and we do now have some leaders on the field spread out (Haskell, Wood, B Youngs, either 10, Barritt). So although he would be missed I don't think it would be as catastrophic as say losing Launchbury.

OK.

 

[dullonien]

Wales:

1. Alun-Wyn Jones. Whilst we have some very decent backup options, Alun-Wyn is truly world class.
2. Dan Biggar. None of the other 10's instill confidence.
3. Rhys Webb. A step above all other options, especially with his partnership with Biggar. Allows space and time for his backline.
4. Jamie Roberts. With JDII out, I wouldn't want to lose Roberts as well.
5. Samson Lee. Thomas Francis has the potential to make an impact this WC, but he's totally unproven at this level, and with Rhodri Jones out, we're really scraping the barrel.

Close behind: Gethin Jenkins, Warburton, Faletau, Halfpenny & North.

 

[valley commando]

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OK.

looks nothing like me I'm a slap head and a bit taller

 

[Maverick1987]

I think the only reason Robshaw isn't popular amongst non-English fans is that they wouldn't want to sacrifice a breakdown specialist at 7 for him. But I think a lot of teams would be happy with Robshaw as a 6.

I agree with this I think there's a place for Robshaw as 6 in most teams in the world to be honest . He's better than Lydiate at least on par with POM (who I thought was great in the 6N until injury) fits well somewhere in the French back row and walks into Scotland and Italy's back row . The only place he probably wouldn't find a spot is in the NZ back row but let's be honest there's no bad thing about that . Some immense players haven't been able to get in over the years as is the quality of the ABs