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[2021 Six Nations] England Squad

Eddie is currently drawing up his master plan.....

Farrell to 13, or Farrell to 9 and Young's to 11, or Farrell to 15, Daly to 12 and Earl to wing.

Hopefully he finally drops the overweight/ deadweight Bily, can't even catch a cold Daly and arrogant teenager Farrell.
 
Ref the arousal thing and no crowds it's the same for all teams. It's 100% the job of the leadership group - coach, captain etc to get the team in the right state to take the field. If they can't do that or the players don't have the inner motivation then something evidently needs to change.

The Guardian also carries an interview with Conor O'Shea and it's nice to hear someone talking sense about English rugby for a change. I also totally agree with the comments on rucking that follow his piece.

 
Does anyone have info on actually HOW good a captain Farrell is? He just seems too petulant to me...and yet the guys that get paid the money to coach and manage seem to rate him.

i always thought Barritt was the real leader / driver in that Saracens side...
 
Does anyone have info on actually HOW good a captain Farrell is? He just seems too petulant to me...and yet the guys that get paid the money to coach and manage seem to rate him.

i always thought Barritt was the real leader / driver in that Saracens side...
Well he 'leads' with his shoulder in the tackle.
 
I remember being in Whitley Bay on a night out years ago when Jason was a huge star in League, but still young. He was in one of the bars, smoking, drinking and had women flocking round him. Not the first Sports Legend to have a wild youth and change his ways a little.

One of the games absolute greats in my opinion...
 
I've said it before I think on this forum but way back in 2004 I went toe the Premiership Final to watch Bath lose to Wasps. Before the final there use to be a Heineken Cup qualifier which was played between Sale and Leicester (Sale lost, it was a bad but fun day). Every time Robinson got the ball you could hear an audible intake of breath throughout Twickenham as they waited to see what he would do.
 
I think this is one of the biggest reasons why people don't rate AWJ as a top player - the thing that supposedly makes him stand out, his leadership, winning mentality, raising a team above their level, inspiring his teammates, Captain Marvel etc - it's not something that anyone can measure in any viable way. And yet its stated by Welsh fans and media over and over and over again as some kind of factual thing that AWJ is the greatest rugby captain that ever lived and gives his team a 10-point buff every game just from his sheer, incredible leadership skills. Back in 2019 it was regularly cited as the reason that Wales won the GS, got to the WC semis etc. Then in 2020 when Wales couldn't beat anyone not named Italy or Georgia, AWJ's incredible leadership skills were absolved of all responsibility for his side losing and losing and losing again. And you wonder why people roll their eyes when we hear this stuff about AWJ?

Who knows who the best captain in rugby is - there's no legitimate way to measure it. So all we've got left is play on the field, and on that front, AWJ is good, solid, but limited. He rarely carries, and when he does, he makes no metres and often goes backwards. His passing is poor and never unlocks a defence, like say Itoje did with his pass to Underhill in the ANC game against Wales that led to an England try. He doesn't jackal ball at the breakdown like Itoje, Launchbury and even Hill now. He rarely steals lineout ball while often losing his own in the last year or so. Again, the Wales-England game in the ANC saw Wales lose 4 lineouts and England none. But it's okay, AWJ's a lock and the captain, so he's not responsible for Wales' consistently terrible lineout. For a captain, he doesn't really seem to be held responsible for anything... Oh, and he makes a lot of tackles, but not many dominant ones, like say Itoje or Lawes. And he had a terrible game against Scotland, giving away 4 penalties. By anyone's measure that's poor.

So no, he wouldn't get in the England squad. Eddie expects more of his locks than just making a lot of tackles and having some vaguely defined leadership superpowers. He expects them to have a big impact on the game in all sorts of areas: carrying, passing, jackaling, stealing lineouts, dominant tackles etc. Why do you think Eddie's so obsessed with locks?! And against SA in SA, that's exactly the kind of player you need. And AWJ just ain't it.
Agree with all of that, but at the same time England could really do with some of the intangible captaincy aura that no one can deny we lack. Only the aura mind, in terms of actual playing I'd still have at least 4 of our locks above him at the moment.
 
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#1 should always be the response every time someone says 2003 era England couldn't attack.

They totally could and 5 of our top 10 all time try scorers were in the 03 squad. None of whom even won 60 caps.

May is quite rightly getting plaudits for going 2nd on the Eng try scoring list with 32 from 63.

But from the 03 squad Cohen got 31 from 57, Greenwood 31 from 55, Robinson 28 from 51 and Luger 24 from 38 all with slightly better strike rates than May.

Lewsey's strike of 22 from 55 is slightly worse but still comparable with Aston's 20 from 44 and Watson's 20 from 48.

Add in St Jonny keeping the scoreboard ticking over from both tee and drops and a pack full of grown ups and you had a pretty phenomenal team that was able to win a RWC when past its peak.

Plus a batty coach, but one who was capable of listening.
 
They totally could and 5 of our top 10 all time try scorers were in the 03 squad. None of whom even won 60 caps.

May is quite rightly getting plaudits for going 2nd on the Eng try scoring list with 32 from 63.

But from the 03 squad Cohen got 31 from 57, Greenwood 31 from 55, Robinson 28 from 51 and Luger 24 from 38 all with slightly better strike rates than May.

Lewsey's strike of 22 from 55 is slightly worse but still comparable with Aston's 20 from 44 and Watson's 20 from 48.

Add in St Jonny keeping the scoreboard ticking over from both tee and drops and a pack full of grown ups and you had a pretty phenomenal team that was able to win a RWC when past its peak.

Plus a batty coach, but one who was capable of listening.
I think the only thing that could be said of that era as opposed to now is the difference between teams in terms of defensive capabilities is a lot higher than it was then. 9/12 of our biggest win margins come from that era and you don;t see teams scoring 134 points against anyone (in that case Romania) these days. Partly that was brilliant team but these days the wingers only get one game against Italy where they can probably be garunteed a shot.
 
Yes you're right but that team was far more than Orcs on steroids and Johnny's boot.

You're also right about try stats being inflated by hammering 3rd rate teams.....

 
No sniggering at the back but apparently we have problems with our arousal levels.......

Is this a subtle message from EJ, that Farrell will be dropped for Wales match?
Normally, he says he is not happy before dropping them.
 
Is this a subtle message from EJ, that Farrell will be dropped for Wales match?
Normally, he says he is not happy before dropping them.
Would be astounded if that's the case. Quite apart from anything else we'd be into a 3rd 10/12 combo in 3 matches with a new skipper. That would look like panic.

Faz is a problem right now, but I'd say Youngs inaccuracy and momentum killing is more material.
 
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