[2021 Six Nations] England Squad

[Ragey Erasmus]

Ok cool. We'll have to see how it all pans out I guess. I think it's pretty dangerous to be honest

Show a single instance where a player jumping for the line like that has been penalised.

If not then the conclusion is that it is widely accepted and you are making an exception for May rather than it is widely condemned and we are making the exception.

 

[ncurd]

I'll a fight over interpretation of a law if someone/anyone can cite the one we are supposedly arguing about. Until then its made up bullshit no matter who said it.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think you selectively miss the bit where people point out the dangerous play laws, if you fail by endangering another player you are absolutely going to get pinged. If someone misses a late tackle they don't pinged for making a late tackle.

Are you thick? Because I have said this multiple times and it doesn't seam to be getting through.

Ok no need for names now is there. I mean, that's not very nice and I thought you English lads were all nice gentleman so we'll keep it civil. You'd penalise May for foul/dangerous play wouldn't you.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Show a single instance where a player jumping for the line like that has been penalised.

If not then the conclusion is that it is widely accepted and you are making an exception for May rather than it is widely condemned and we are making the exception.

He's not jumping for the line though. If tjats
Your interpretation then fine. He's jumping to avoid the tackle so he can score the try.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Isn't that the whole purpose of diving for the line (outside of an Ash-Splash style celebration)?


Edit:
Tackle in the air? Jumping into tackle?

 

[ncurd]

Ok no need for names now is there. I mean, that's not very nice and I thought you English lads were all nice gentleman so we'll keep it civil. You'd penalise May for foul/dangerous play wouldn't you.

Well it gets a tireosme repeating yourself.

Okay Foul play laws

Laws of the Game | World Rugby Laws

The Laws of the Game of rugby union governed by World Rugby.

laws.worldrugby.org

Please cite the law you would penalise May under.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

He's not jumping for the line though. If tjats
Your interpretation then fine. He's jumping to avoid the tackle so he can score the try.

Yes he is. He jumped FOR the line as indicated by the fact that he grounded the ball as he landed now without trying to dodge it again, show a single instance of a player jumping for the line who was penalised.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Well it gets a tireosme repeating yourself.

Okay Foul play laws

Laws of the Game | World Rugby Laws

The Laws of the Game of rugby union governed by World Rugby.

laws.worldrugby.org

Please cite the law you would penalise May under.

There's a couple. You could go for

1. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.
2. Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yes he is. He jumped FOR the line as indicated by the fact that he grounded the ball as he landed now without trying to dodge it again, show a single instance of a player jumping for the line who was penalised.

No he wasn't. Lol.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

There's a couple. You could go for

1. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.
2. Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others.

1. No player has been penalised for tackling a player diving for the line so he was not prevented from tackling him
2. It was neither reckless or dangerous. The crocodile roll Negri did was both reckless and dangerous yet he didn't get punished. Do you really want to nail your flag to the pole saying what May did was more dangerous than what Negri did given the very clear outcomes of both?

No he wasn't. Lol.

And to top it off you can't provide a single example of a player diving for the line being penalised for it OR a player tackling a player diving for the line being penalised for taking them in the air.

At this point you're not even debating in good faith and just being a straight up prick about this now. You are arguing May should be penalised for something nobody has been penalised for doing and your reasoning is that what he did would prevent a tackle being done despite nobody being penalised for tackling a player diving for the line either. You're just flat out demanding an exception be made.

 

[Welsh Exile]

1. No player has been penalised for tackling a player diving for the line so he was not prevented from tackling him
2. It was neither reckless or dangerous. The crocodile roll Negri did was both reckless and dangerous yet he didn't get punished. Do you really want to nail your flag to the pole saying what May did was more dangerous than what Negri did given the very clear outcomes of both?

Ok this is going round in circles. You think he was diving for the line. I think he was jumping to avoid the tackle completely so he could therefore score the try. We're clearly not going to agree. You don't see tries scored like this at all really I reckon that's because most refs don't allow it you seem to think it's because May is the only person who could do it.

 

[ncurd]

There's a couple. You could go for

1. A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.
2. Players must not do anything that is reckless or dangerous to others.

Please cite correcetly, I hate doing the ground work.

1 is 9.3 which is from the obstruction laws, which is other players preventing tackling the ball carrier not ball carrier themself this is basic rugby knowledge. Unless the ball-carrier is now no longer allowed to avoid being tackled at all. I know Wales have been watching Gatland sides for years but I ssure you player are allowed to move out the way of tackles.

2 is 9.11 what is reckless or dangerous about he did towards other players?

 

[Welsh Exile]

1. No player has been penalised for tackling a player diving for the line so he was not prevented from tackling him
2. It was neither reckless or dangerous. The crocodile roll Negri did was both reckless and dangerous yet he didn't get punished. Do you really want to nail your flag to the pole saying what May did was more dangerous than what Negri did given the very clear outcomes of both?



And to top it off you can't provide a single example of a player diving for the line being penalised for it OR a player tackling a player diving for the line being penalised for taking them in the air.

At this point you're not even debating in good faith and just being a straight up prick about this now. You are arguing May should be penalised for something nobody has been penalised for doing and your reasoning is that what he did would prevent a tackle being done despite nobody being penalised for tackling a player diving for the line either. You're just flat out demanding an exception be made.

Ok, mate, I'm not going to show you instances of what you ask as I've said to you a million times I've got no problem with people diving for the line and I've got no problem with people being tackled in the air when they're diving for the line but I don't believe May was diving for the line this is where the disagreement is.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Jumping into a tackle is very different from jumping to avoid a tackle.

Jumping to avoid a tackle, like a goose step or a little skip is not illegal if it's not dangerous. Those are the laws.

 

[ncurd]

Jumping into a tackle is very different from jumping to avoid a tackle.

Jumping to avoid a tackle, like a goose step or a little skip is not illegal if it's not dangerous. Those are the laws.

Just to be more precise if it's not dangerous to others, if May injures himself and has no potential to injure any other player he can break every bone in his body and it would still be try

 

[Welsh Exile]

Please cite correcetly, I hate doing the ground work.

1 is 9.3 which is from the obstruction laws, which is other players preventing tackling the ball carrier not ball carrier themself this is basic rugby knowledge. Unless the ball-carrier is now no longer allowed to avoid being tackled at all. I know Wales have been watching Gatland sides for years but I ssure you player are allowed to move out the way of tackles.

2 is 9.11 what is reckless or dangerous about he did towards other players?

I mean ****, there must be something you can say that fits and I do think it's potentially dangerous to both opponents and himself.

Nigel said this will definitely be in their review after the game not like we'll hear what was said, obviously.

 

[Reiser99]

Is this conversation still going on?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Not penalised

 

[ncurd]

I mean ****, there must be something you can say that fits and I do think it's potentially dangerous to both opponents and himself.

Nigel said this will definitely be in their review after the game not like we'll hear what was said, obviously.

Himself doesn't count the law specifically says dangerous to others, you did read it right? I mean you did try to cite May for obstruction....

And you can't say what he did that was dangrous to the Italian player.....can't think why.

The only thing I can think that Owens can wrong be thinking of is you are being tackled (as in the player has physical hold you) try to jump free of their grip is probably pretty dangerous but again nothing dangerous about avoiding being tackled unless you outlaw avoiding in whatever manner.

 

[ncurd]

Is this conversation still going on?

I have a slow work day new project is taking forever to fire up....