[2021 Six Nations] England Squad

[Welsh Exile]

I've seen some guys try it, but fail - happened in the Sale vs Bath game on the weekend
Think you're underestimating the vertical/horizontal leap required to jump over a ruck (and how easy that'd be to stop considering the guards at the ruck etc. - you'd just get caught in mid-air)

But the point is you're not allowed to stop someone from doing it as you're not allowed to tackle people in the air which is why you're not allowed to attempt to score a try from diving over a ruck in the first place.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

So if you're allowed to jump over a ruck that's a meter out from the try line in order to score a try why do you think it is that we never see tries scored like that?

Because not many athletes can leap far and high enough to go straight over a ruck from a standing start?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Because not many athletes can leap far and high enough to go straight over a ruck from a standing start?

Really? Mate, if this was allowed they'd just have any back running from 15 meters away and do a pop pass to them. Can you imagine. It would be carnage. As matey said above it is actually easy to stop but then you'd have people getting smashed in the air and all sorts. Would be very dangerous. It's about a level playing field for both sides and jumping to avoid being tackled is not fair

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

But the point is you're not allowed to stop someone from doing it as you're not allowed to tackle people in the air which is why you're not allowed to attempt to score a try from diving over a ruck in the first place.

If someone jumps over the ruck at you, you definitely can stand your ground. You are treating the "tackle in the air" and "don't jump into tackles" laws as complete absolutes but they aren't, they are down to context. If a player dives at your feet for a tap tackle and you hop over it, do you think that is illegal? If not then we have established you can jump to avoid being tackled and the question becomes in what context can you not do that.

The not jumping into a tackle provision is generally interpreted as jumping into a tackle (ie if the tackling player literally stood there and did nothing, you would create a dangerous situation). It's to avoid the person jumping from putting themselves and the person in front at danger largely through the chance of flipping over and landing badly.

Currently they err more on the side of penalising a player who tackles someone rather than the person jumping but quite tellingly, not one player who has attempted to hit a player diving for the line has been penalised for tackling a player in the air, no matter how high they have jumped. Many players have gone in to the air to a similar height to May and been hit into touch, the tackler was never penalised.

 

[ncurd]

Really? Mate, if this was allowed they'd just have any back running from 15 meters away and do a pop pass to them. Can you imagine. It would be carnage. As matey said above it is actually easy to stop but then you'd have people getting smashed in the air and all sorts. Would be very dangerous. It's about a level playing field for both sides and jumping to avoid being tackled is not fair

Its not about a level playing field...there no such thing please find the bloody law.

However a lot of what your describing would be covered by dangerous play laws which is why if you fail your going to be pinged for something.

 

[TommiG88]

Is this valleycommando?

 

[Welsh Exile]

If someone jumps over the ruck at you, you definitely can stand your ground. You are treating the "tackle in the air" and "don't jump into tackles" laws as complete absolutes but they aren't, they are down to context. If a player dives at your feet for a tap tackle and you hop over it, do you think that is illegal? If not then we have established you can jump to avoid being tackled and the question becomes in what context can you not do that.

The not jumping into a tackle provision is generally interpreted as jumping into a tackle (ie if the tackling player literally stood there and did nothing, you would create a dangerous situation). It's to avoid the person jumping from putting themselves and the person in front at danger largely through the chance of flipping over and landing badly.

Currently they err more on the side of penalising a player who tackles someone rather than the person jumping but quite tellingly, not one player who has attempted to hit a player diving for the line has been penalised for tackling a player in the air, no matter how high they have jumped. Many players have gone in to the air to a similar height to May and been hit into touch, the tackler was never penalised.

Yeah, Owens says that all refs allow players to tackle players who are diving FOR the line in a genuine attempt to score a try (this is where the grey comes in) and which is why he said if you think May is genuinely diving FOR the line then that's fine, that's you're interpretation then try should stand but if you're sane and have eyes then you can clearly see he's jumping up to avoid the tackle. He explains it better than me in this video if you go to about 42min. Seeing as this is allowed though I expect to see this happen I guess a lot
more in rugby in the coming weeks and months.

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[Not Eddie Jones]

Am i the only one feeling tipuric is highly skilful but massively overrated, and not actually that great as a flanker? Kinda that guy whos a hybrid back /forward, but really a master of nothing. Cant remember the last meaningful impact he's had

Getting on the end of that wonder try at Twickenham in the 2020 6N?

I think Tipuric is a good player, but like you, I'm not sure he's a flanker. He seems to do his best work ball in hand. He looks more like a centre to me. Just the sort of player England could use at 12 to be honest...

 

[Welsh Exile]

Its not about a level playing field...there no such thing please find the bloody law.

However a lot of what your describing would be covered by dangerous play laws which is why if you fail your going to be pinged for something.

I posted a video where he gives a breakdown of it if you're interested.

 

[ncurd]

If someone jumps over the ruck at you, you definitely can stand your ground. You are treating the "tackle in the air" and "don't jump into tackles" laws as complete absolutes but they aren't, they are down to context. If a player dives at your feet for a tap tackle and you hop over it, do you think that is illegal? If not then we have established you can jump to avoid being tackled and the question becomes in what context can you not do that.

The not jumping into a tackle provision is generally interpreted as jumping into a tackle (ie if the tackling player literally stood there and did nothing, you would create a dangerous situation). It's to avoid the person jumping from putting themselves and the person in front at danger largely through the chance of flipping over and landing badly.

Currently they err more on the side of penalising a player who tackles someone rather than the person jumping but quite tellingly, not one player who has attempted to hit a player diving for the line has been penalised for tackling a player in the air, no matter how high they have jumped. Many players have gone in to the air to a similar height to May and been hit into touch, the tackler was never penalised.

Also see why don't players just jump right before they are tackled if being tackled in the air always results in the other side being penalised.

Yeah, Owens says that all refs allow players to tackle players who are diving FOR the line in a genuine attempt to score a try (this is where the grey comes in) and which is why he said if you think May is genuinely diving FOR the line then that's fine, that's you're interpretation then try should stand but if you're sane and have eyes then you can clearly see he's jumping up to avoid the tackle. He explains it better than me in this video if you go to about 42min. Seeing as this is allowed though I expect to see this happen I guess a lot
more in rugby in the coming weeks and months.

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Your going to cite the law this comes under? Or him, he can explain all he likes if there is no law he's making **** up. I've been looking for this law for 2 days now it doesn't exist.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Also see why don't players just jump right before they are tackled if being tackled in the air always results in the other side being penalised.

Your going to cite the law this comes under? Or him, he can explain all he likes if there is no law he's making **** up. I've been looking for this law for 2 days now it doesn't exist.

I guess it isn't always black and white but hey, I guess you know more about what is and isn't allowed than a guy who's reffed 100 international games.

 

[ncurd]

I guess it isn't always black and white but hey, I guess you know more about what is and isn't allowed than a guy who's reffed 100 international games.

I have 4 match day officials on my side, and he and nobody else can even cite the law May should of been penalised under.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yeah, Owens says that all refs allow players to tackle players who are diving FOR the line in a genuine attempt to score a try (this is where the grey comes in) and which is why he said if you think May is genuinely diving FOR the line then that's fine, that's you're interpretation then try should stand but if you're sane and have eyes then you can clearly see he's jumping up to avoid the tackle. He explains it better than me in this video if you go to about 42min. Seeing as this is allowed though I expect to see this happen I guess a lot
more in rugby in the coming weeks and months.

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Surely the fact that his landed with his hands just over the try line should indicate that is what he was doing? It's not like he jumped, landed and then went for the try line. He jumped and it was purely because of that jump that he wasn't in touch when he grounded the ball. No additional movements, the jump was for the sole purpose of having his feet off the ground so he would not be in touch. That would indicate he was jumping for the line and that putting the ball down over the line without being in touch was the goal of the jump.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I have 4 match day officials on my side, and he and nobody else can even cite the law May should of been penalised under.

So we're going to a lot more of this then in the future or is May the only one who could do this?

Same with jumping over a ruck half a meter out. Just get 15s running from deep and do some American football flying head butt jump. Lol

 

[Not Eddie Jones]

I guess it isn't always black and white but hey, I guess you know more about what is and isn't allowed than a guy who's reffed 100 international games.

To paraphrase a certain political commentator: 'I don't need a 7-year degree in rugby to know BS when I hear it'.

 

[ncurd]

So we're going to a lot more of this then in the future or is May the only one who could do this?

Same with jumping over a ruck half a meter out. Just get 15s running from deep and do some American football flying head butt jump. Lol

Anyone can do it, good luck to all those who try.

Again cite the law May should of penalised under. Should be simple enough if you think its a penalty like Owens said.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

The irony being when Shane literally jumped into a tackled it was hailed as rugby genius by the same people saying May is an evil bar steward

 

[MikeTheNative]

Is this valleycommando?

Posts more like an AI trained solely from reading Wales Online articles.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Anyone can do it, good luck to all those who try.

Again cite the law May should of penalised under. Should be simple enough if you think its a penalty like Owens said.

Ok cool. We'll have to see how it all pans out I guess. I think it's pretty dangerous to be honest

 

[ncurd]

Ok cool. We'll have to see how it all pans out I guess. I think it's pretty dangerous to be honest

I think you selectively miss the bit where people point out the dangerous play laws, if you fail by endangering another player you are absolutely going to get pinged. If someone misses a late tackle they don't pinged for making a late tackle.

Are you thick? Because I have said this multiple times and it doesn't seam to be getting through.