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Pretty sure he's also our biggest lock, for what that's worth?
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[2019 Six Nations] Wales vs England (23/02/2019)
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Pretty sure he's also our biggest lock?
Edit: Jeez, the Wasps website has him at 126kg / 19st 12lb.
Can't be right, but still.
Edit: Jeez, the Wasps website has him at 126kg / 19st 12lb.
Can't be right, but still.
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We will take 4 locks, just by checking the breakdown of the squads at previous world cups. No way he doesn't take one of the 4 we have.
Anyway, back on topic. This week is dragging already. I've got a cracking craft beer delivery arriving Sat am so I'll be well lubricated also! I might make less sense on here than usual.
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All or nothing for Wales isn't it. A defeat of any score and we'll either be 6 or 7 points behind which is insurmountable given England only have Italy and Scotland to play.
You can generally afford 1 loss and still win the ***le but we've royally fkd up not getting a bonus point in Rome.
England favourites for me given how they've played but we've won 11? in a row and are at home. It'll go either way but England can ''afford'' to get beat. Wales cannot.
You can generally afford 1 loss and still win the ***le but we've royally fkd up not getting a bonus point in Rome.
England favourites for me given how they've played but we've won 11? in a row and are at home. It'll go either way but England can ''afford'' to get beat. Wales cannot.
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If England play like they have in the last two games then I think it will be a convincing victory for them by 12-15 points plus, regardless of how well the Welsh play.
Wales will have a similar issue to Ireland in that - with the best will in the world - they don't have the physicality to win the gain line in attack or defence against this England team, particularly if they are concerned with keeping the backfield well covered.
If, however, the English are off the boil and if the Welsh come out firing with the roof shut and the crowd roaring, I can see this being a close contest. It will need a few balls to bounce their way and for some huge individual performances from Williams and/or Halfpenny at the back (both more than capable of one), the kicking game of whoever plays 10 (I'd pick Biggar for this but think Gatland will go Anscombe) and Moriarty/Wyn Jones to really front up on the gain line defensively, BUT if all of those things happen then it wouldn't surprise me overly to see Wales come out on top.
England's game to lose.
Wales will have a similar issue to Ireland in that - with the best will in the world - they don't have the physicality to win the gain line in attack or defence against this England team, particularly if they are concerned with keeping the backfield well covered.
If, however, the English are off the boil and if the Welsh come out firing with the roof shut and the crowd roaring, I can see this being a close contest. It will need a few balls to bounce their way and for some huge individual performances from Williams and/or Halfpenny at the back (both more than capable of one), the kicking game of whoever plays 10 (I'd pick Biggar for this but think Gatland will go Anscombe) and Moriarty/Wyn Jones to really front up on the gain line defensively, BUT if all of those things happen then it wouldn't surprise me overly to see Wales come out on top.
England's game to lose.
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I have a slightly bad feeling Wales could take this, as they do tend to raise their game against us, plus they're at home.
@Xsypher, 12 - 15 is a massive amount for this sort of game. We completely smashed and dominated Ireland, and still the margin was only 12.
The worry with England teams over the last decade has always been their propensity to get shell-shocked by opposition who are really up for it. Defense is always the difference in this game, so I don't want to see any of that flail tackling we've had over the years and which reared it's head briefly for France's first try last weekend.
Back row will have their work cutout to nullify Navidi or Young because disrupting England at source will be top of Wales' to do list.
Despite all of that, on paper and recent form we should really be winning this game.
@Xsypher, 12 - 15 is a massive amount for this sort of game. We completely smashed and dominated Ireland, and still the margin was only 12.
The worry with England teams over the last decade has always been their propensity to get shell-shocked by opposition who are really up for it. Defense is always the difference in this game, so I don't want to see any of that flail tackling we've had over the years and which reared it's head briefly for France's first try last weekend.
Back row will have their work cutout to nullify Navidi or Young because disrupting England at source will be top of Wales' to do list.
Despite all of that, on paper and recent form we should really be winning this game.
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Well that's logical and you'd like to think so. But given that we may well be looking to outgun them, half of me wonders if Jones might pull a stunt and go for his dream, if injury prone, midfield....
Would prefer shields over hughes personally.
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The key is to keep the score out of the Hughes brain-fart range...
...which means we're going to need a 12 point cushion going into the final 12 minutes
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Might stick a sneaky fiver on a draw here.
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Same team as round 2 that isnt injury enforced, Mako, Ashton out, Genge, Big Joe(bench) in.
Whats the expected welsh team? I can guess the back line easier than the forwards.
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For me it is merited. I'd put the Welsh pack as fourth strongest in the 6N, so opponents can build up momentum and Wales have to defend against more front foot ball than Ireland, France and particularly England. Yet it is rare to see a Welsh side concede tries due to general sloppy tackling or poor positioning. Scotland have a weaker pack than Wales but for the sake of argument are broadly comparable. I think the Welsh defence can handle levels of pressure that will routinely see Scotland conceding penalties and tries - but they can be gouged by a top attack on top form (e.g. the recent series in NZ, and possibly England here).
I rate Gatland higher than most here, but despite that cant envisage Wales winning a 6N without Edwards. I can't think of another defensive coach that leaves a similar impression on me and you can see improvements when he does wee secondments to the Welsh regions.
Truly inspiring. England by 30!
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Let me guess, England lost to Wales in the 5/6 Nations?!
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I disagree, there's definitely room and more importantly a need for 4 specialist locks in a RWC squad, especially when they are all top drawer players.
Interesting perspective, I would say setting a great example and driving constant high standards which he does week in week out is leadership in itself, I am not suggesting he captains England but let's be honest here Farrell getting carded (I rate him very highly) but don't see it as unthinkable especially with his perceived 'getting away with it' and Billy being subbed or injured by this point is not that far fetched, you could do worse under those circumstances than have him on the pitch.
Thé key for me is how much england's Defence is improved in the first 2 games.
Against Ireland , we conceded from a 5 yard maul and a moment of inattention in the last 3 minutes when the game was already decided . Otherwise I don 't actually recall Ireland bring in the England 22 other than those moments.
Likewise for France - they scored one try through 3 missed tackles but other than that they never go into our 22.
If we show the same level of intensity at the gain line I think Wales ( who have less ball carriers than Ireland) will struggle and will need to kick .
On the basis of what we have seen so far Wales have not pulled any trees but they are cspabke of playing much better and beating England . But I agree that England will need to have an off day .
12/14 points ( my prediction) is a huge margin of victory away from home and you would have been mad to predict this before the tournament started.
Yes Wales are on a good streak but England have shown that they win easily without the ball. That is the mark of a really good clinical side. Garland is really going to have to come with s tactical master plan to best England
Is this a Wales vs England 6 nations thread or an England WC thread? Ive read through more cr*p about Englands WC squad than actual team comparisons. Theres so much I cant even be bothered to comment on the game right now.
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