[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 5: France vs Wales (18/03/2017)

[dullonien]

Barnes asked the tighthead if he was okay before the doctor came out. I think that was legitimate if the ref thought something was wrong before the team did something.

Barnes really couldn't have given a penalty try for any of the scrims in the last couple of minutes. He could have given yellow after yellow though.

Yeah, hopefully nothing out of order. It just seemed very coincidental + the comments by the pundits after that Slimani was ready to get back onto the pitch 5+ mins earlier. Anyway, the doctors have to be respected, so Antonio had to go off.

Agree regarding yellow cards. Barnes could have easily handed out a couple more, which would have got us to the same conclusion a lot earlier.

No problems for me about the result. Thought France were the better side overall. The looked mighty powerful throughout, and but for some average backline move + some great defense from Wales , they could have cut loose a little earlier. Wales put up a good fight, but again looked poor in attack. Some of the passing from the likes of Davies in midfield was very poor. Scott Williams also had a shocker, which Howley's decision to pull him just after half time justified.

Tipuric was once again superb. Must have ended the match with well over 20 tackles to his name + his lineout work and in attack (though limited opportunities).

I'd lose to see change. 2 wins is unacceptable. But I doubt it'll happen.

 

[ThebigARena]

To be fair Wales clearly didn't want to scrummage and then moment they went down to 14 men you could see they just wanted to kill time. Some deliberate early engagements for example knowing it would just be a free kick and that it could lead to an infinite regression until France in theory made a mistake.
But having said that I completely agree and any team would do the same in the situation and its Barnes who needed to be stricter. He could have cut that whole farce down by at least half.

Re. Antonio I agree, especially as he seemed to be holding his stomach when he went off?[/QUOTE

I just feel a lot of people on here are blaming us for everything, people always having a go at webb and biggar when they have done nothing malicious like brown did on murray that game I think people forget incidents like that.

webb and biggar are good lads not a malicious bone in their body, cant say the same for brown hes like the school boy bully. an absolute **** in and out of rugby, biggar does a lot of charity work and webb helps out with coaching etc.

I hope the irish win this because the english are getting insanely arrogant about their winning streak , they only just managed to beat us and france, they are not anywhere near the ABs level.

 

[ncurd]

*yawn*

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

To be fair Wales clearly didn't want to scrummage and then moment they went down to 14 men you could see they just wanted to kill time. Some deliberate early engagements for example knowing it would just be a free kick and that it could lead to an infinite regression until France in theory made a mistake.
But having said that I completely agree and any team would do the same in the situation and its Barnes who needed to be stricter. He could have cut that whole farce down by at least half.

Re. Antonio I agree, especially as he seemed to be holding his stomach when he went off?[/QUOTE

I just feel a lot of people on here are blaming us for everything, people always having a go at webb and biggar when they have done nothing malicious like brown did on murray that game I think people forget incidents like that.

webb and biggar are good lads not a malicious bone in their body, cant say the same for brown hes like the school boy bully. an absolute **** in and out of rugby, biggar does a lot of charity work and webb helps out with coaching etc.

I hope the irish win this because the english are getting insanely arrogant about their winning streak , they only just managed to beat us and france, they are not anywhere near the ABs level.

You picked a bad time to go posting **** boy! Wait, no you always talk ****. Seriously, nobody on this forum thinks England are near the All-blacks because we aren't. It's just a pointless straw man you've got there. Sure you will find some out there who think so, but equally you will find many Welsh out there who think Wales are the best team in the northern hemisphere etc.

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To be fair Wales clearly didn't want to scrummage and then moment they went down to 14 men you could see they just wanted to kill time. Some deliberate early engagements for example knowing it would just be a free kick and that it could lead to an infinite regression until France in theory made a mistake.
But having said that I completely agree and any team would do the same in the situation and its Barnes who needed to be stricter. He could have cut that whole farce down by at least half.

Re. Antonio I agree, especially as he seemed to be holding his stomach when he went off?[/QUOTE

I just feel a lot of people on here are blaming us for everything, people always having a go at webb and biggar when they have done nothing malicious like brown did on murray that game I think people forget incidents like that.

webb and biggar are good lads not a malicious bone in their body, cant say the same for brown hes like the school boy bully. an absolute **** in and out of rugby, biggar does a lot of charity work and webb helps out with coaching etc.

I hope the irish win this because the english are getting insanely arrogant about their winning streak , they only just managed to beat us and france, they are not anywhere near the ABs level.

You picked a bad time to go posting **** boy! Wait, no you always talk ****. Seriously, nobody on this forum thinks England are near the All-blacks because we aren't. It's just a pointless straw man you've got there. Sure you will find some out there who think so, but equally you will find many Welsh out there who think Wales are the best team in the northern hemisphere etc.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I know the quote didn't work the way you intended, but it ended up looking as if you were telling yourself to stop talking ****e. Bukowski would be proud!

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

I think Barnes did alright in the circumstances. A penalty try on a second consecutive try related penalty would be a little harsh and he was quick to produce the yellow card. Wales managed to get about one in three of the scrums legally completed which I think was keeping the penalty try at bay. The big delay for the bite was appropriate and unfortunately the shennanigans with the french doctor left Barnes no choice as a ref, one the doctor said the player had a head knock and needed checked. Amazingly the french prop that went off for the head assessment never returned to the game. Who'd have thunk it?

Overall a bit disappointed in the development of the french side this tournament. Fikou is stepping up but Serin never hit the heights of last summer and Lopez is not the answer. Issues with all three backs too for me.

I think the performance away from home was another positive for Howley, but finishing fifth is unlikely to strengthen his case for the job on a permanent basis.

 

[McTallshort]

Barnes gave Wales every opportunity to win that game. There should have been a penalty try for repeated collapsing of the scrum

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

you just can't give penalty tries for repeated infrigments

 

[McTallshort]

you just can't give penalty tries for repeated infrigments

You can if it's the same one and it's in the "red zone" Wales were very cynical in the added time. Barnes should have said " you collapse the scrum again and I go between the posts"

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

You can if it's the same one and it's in the "red zone" Wales were very cynical in the added time. Barnes should have said " you collapse the scrum again and I go between the posts"

you really can't... you can give a **** load of yellows

you can only give it if your certain they would have scored a try if the scrum hadn't collapsed

 

[McTallshort]

you really can't... you can give a **** load of yellows

you can only give it if your certain they would have scored a try if the scrum hadn't collapsed

It's been given before for repeatedly collapsing a scrum 5 yards out. It stopping the attacking team the correct platform

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

It's been given before for repeatedly collapsing a scrum 5 yards out. It stopping the attacking team the correct platform

the only time i've seen a penalty try at a scrum was king-jaguares when the jaguares got pinged when they were already in their own in-goal area

barnes said it himself that if they would have gained another two meters he would have given the try

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so i did some research (youtube) and found that it's kind of a ****ty situation for the offense

if the defensive side infringes on the scrum and the offense keeps the scrum up and moving forward they will give the penalty try even if the infringement happend 5m out

if they collapse it straight down the offense gets screwed since they can't keep the scrum moving

 

[McTallshort]

Seen it given before on many occasions. If the team is unable to scrummage and keep collapsing it the ref goes between the posts

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Seen it given before on many occasions. If the team is unable to scrummage and keep collapsing it the ref goes between the posts

i believe you... i just don't see the logic in it but fair enough

 

[McTallshort]

i believe you... i just don't see the logic in it but fair enough

The defending team must compete. If they just keep dropping the scrum because they cannot compete or they are not prepared to the penalty try is the only option

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

The defending team must compete. If they just keep dropping the scrum because they cannot compete or they are not prepared to the penalty try is the only option

i understand... and i could see it's a good alternative to just yellow carding the entire pack but that isn't how penalty tries are written into the law book

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The defending team must compete. If they just keep dropping the scrum because they cannot compete or they are not prepared to the penalty try is the only option

i understand... and i could see it's a good alternative to just yellow carding the entire pack but that isn't how penalty tries are written into the law book

 

[McTallshort]

Yeah but what option does the ref have? He has to warn the captain but once he has and the front row still takes it down...7 points thank you

 

[General Melchett]

Is Howley still going to be the Lions' head attack coach after this below par campaign?

 

[Maverick1987]

To be fair Wales clearly didn't want to scrummage and then moment they went down to 14 men you could see they just wanted to kill time. Some deliberate early engagements for example knowing it would just be a free kick and that it could lead to an infinite regression until France in theory made a mistake.
But having said that I completely agree and any team would do the same in the situation and its Barnes who needed to be stricter. He could have cut that whole farce down by at least half.

Re. Antonio I agree, especially as he seemed to be holding his stomach when he went off?[/QUOTE

I just feel a lot of people on here are blaming us for everything, people always having a go at webb and biggar when they have done nothing malicious like brown did on murray that game I think people forget incidents like that.

webb and biggar are good lads not a malicious bone in their body, cant say the same for brown hes like the school boy bully. an absolute **** in and out of rugby, biggar does a lot of charity work and webb helps out with coaching etc.

I hope the irish win this because the english are getting insanely arrogant about their winning streak , they only just managed to beat us and france, they are not anywhere near the ABs level.

Webb and Biggar act like petulant school kids almost every single game . Also I'm very interested in knowing how many times you have personally met Mike Brown to know he's a **** outside of rugby ? I've met him and found him a really nice bloke who has a lot of passion .....

Same as I've also met Adam Jones, Gethin Jenkins amongst other welshmen I don't call them ***** because they are Welsh ..... which is why you are calling Mike Brown a **** , because he's English ......

 

[dullonien]

It's been given before for repeatedly collapsing a scrum 5 yards out. It stopping the attacking team the correct platform

thmole is correct, can't give a penalty try unless the try would have otherwise been innevitable. Maybe one of the scrums which was moving forwards but popped up could have been given as a penalty try, but even then maybe not. Repeat infringements mean nothing, just yellow cards. The times they have been given (there have been many) are when teams have properly been going forwards at a considerable rate. Wales may have prevented that from happening though...

Anyway, agree with some posters about the attitude of some of the Welsh players. Personally don't think Webb is too bad. He ran a couple of obstruction lines today that weren't picked up, but they weren't malicious, just happened to result in a bit of an injury for Guirado. Biggar on the other hand annoys me endlessly, another reason I'd like to see him dropped.