[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: Scotland vs Wales (25/02/2017)

[Reiser99]

WOW are you REALLY STILL thinking about the quick line out by Phillips ??? Seriously get a LIFE . There's is many a time an "English" player has bent the rules but I don't dwell on it jeez...LMAO

Oh and that one small tug on a scottish player makes Webb a cheater??!

Really?

Keep sucking those lemons��

Oh **** we actually lost...let's deflect and turn any criticism into an attack and get offended, yay go me!

I would actually say that any player who commits a foul intentionally or contravenes the rules with intent is cheating. That especially goes for those players who do so when defending their try line. The refs need to be stricter in giving yellow cards for cynical fouls. Ex-players might call it canny or sneaky, but their is a clear difference between competing for the ball, making a mistake and knowingly committing a foul.
Yes English players are guility of it, hell if we follow my opinion Haskell would spend half the game in the sin bin and yes he does cheat. For me the big difference is Haskell knows he's cheating and doesn't draw attention to it and goes off and hides. Webb genuinely acted like he hadn't done anything wrong, same as Phillips used to do. That is where people are losing respect for Wales, on top of their constant moaning towards the ref.

Now you may think I'm trying to stir up trouble, but personally I feel that some Welsh players try to influence the ref too much and it needs to stop. That is across rugby as a whole, but 'some' (look at the word again) Welsh players are the worst culprits.

 

[valley commando]

Young's terrible?

Why the ?
Young is terrible

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Why the ?
Young is terrible

Yep Young is pretty bad but I doubt he is in for England selection let alone Lions.
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[valley commando]

I'm fed up.

Fed up with the same old selections (Roberts on the bench is not a gamechanger)
Fed up with the same excuses
Fed up with the way that when we get near the opponents 22 we lose all ideas and creativity
Fed up with how many times a front 5 forward takes the ball at 1st or second reciever (GET OUT OF THE WAY FATBOYS)
Fed up with the fact we have some good players who are not (allowed to be) playing like they can
Fed up with knowing it's unlikley to change anytime soon, Howley will stay, the same team will get picked next week and Ireland will destroy us.

Grrr

Howley has to go, what good reason is there to keep a coach that picks the wrong players and employs the wrong tactics, a coach who has never coached at club level let alone regional.
Rob you need to go and cut your coaching teeth with St Peter's under 8's, if they'll have you.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The thing is Wales were doing EXACTLY the same silly buggers stuff in the ruck against England and getting away with it. This is 2 games in a row and a really cynical streak is running through the Welsh side along with attitude problems from Webb and Biggar with AWJ not captaining well. I must say the entire attitude that is filling through the Welsh team is not a pretty one. It's petty, petulant and unsporting. England get a lot of flak for our players supposed arrogance, funnily enough it comes primarily from Welsh fans, but I think the Welsh team genuinely has an attitude problem right now.

 

[valley commando]

Howler needs to be replaced as Lions head attack coach asap. It's going to cost them the test series

Are you sure I thought Howler was off with Wales in the summer not to NZ with the Lions.

 

[ThebigARena]

Oh **** we actually lost...let's deflect and turn any criticism into an attack and get offended, yay go me!

I would actually say that any player who commits a foul intentionally or contravenes the rules with intent is cheating. That especially goes for those players who do so when defending their try line. The refs need to be stricter in giving yellow cards for cynical fouls. Ex-players might call it canny or sneaky, but their is a clear difference between competing for the ball, making a mistake and knowingly committing a foul.
Yes English players are guility of it, hell if we follow my opinion Haskell would spend half the game in the sin bin and yes he does cheat. For me the big difference is Haskell knows he's cheating and doesn't draw attention to it and goes off and hides. Webb genuinely acted like he hadn't done anything wrong, same as Phillips used to do. That is where people are losing respect for Wales, on top of their constant moaning towards the ref.


Now you may think I'm trying to stir up trouble, but personally I feel that some Welsh players try to influence the ref too much and it needs to stop. That is across rugby as a whole, but 'some' (look at the word again) Welsh players are the worst culprits.

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But what about marler who infringed in the scrum repeatable ? I guess that was fair game yeah?? That's just the scrum hey??He knew he wasn't driving straight yet claimed he was to the referee and got away with it, come on mate every player tries to get "an advantage" don't just limit it to "Welsh players" just because it's the fashionable thing to do at this moment..

 

[Reiser99]

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But what about marler who infringed in the scrum repeatable ? I guess that was fair game yeah?? That's just the scrum hey??He knew he wasn't driving straight yet claimed he was to the referee and got away with it, come on mate every player tries to get "an advantage" don't just limit it to "Welsh players" just because it's the fashionable thing to do at this moment..

Sigh...'it's the fashionable thing to do.' It's amazing how you don't realise you contradict yourself, seeing as I already said I felt the Welsh have done this for years, highlighting Phillips as an example, which you the told me to get over.
So am I fashionable and trendy, or archaic and refusing to let things go? If it's both then wow I guess I really am the jack of all trades.

In terms of Marler, fair enoughh. One point on contrast is that most scrums are still badly managed and are you going to claim Marler is the only player doing it? If he doesn't, the opposition will. That's not an excuse, but he is not guilty alone. Now your turn...when was the last time and English player shook his head because he got caught pulling a player back off the ball cynically in a try scoring opportunity?

 

[ThebigARena]

Think I also mentioned that north was rushed back for this game, it showed too North was blatantly not fully fit should of gone with Stef Evans or Giles but then again that would mean introducing young talent so definitely a no no

Stef Evans was not even available for Scarlets against Munster on Friday , bloody ridiculous such a waste

 

[Saint4805]

Are you sure I thought Howler was off with Wales in the summer not to NZ with the Lions.

Yes it's confirmed. Fatland even had the audacity to ask Gregor Townsend if he wanted to assist Howler. The Lions test series is lost before the tour even starts.

 

[Reiser99]

Think I also mentioned that north was rushed back for this game, it showed to north was blatantly not fully fit should of gone its Stef Evans or Giles but then again that would mean introducing young talent so definitely a no no

I'll agree with you there, North was not fit and Williams had some good moments at the start and then faded. I know Giles was in the squad for the autumn internationals. Did he get used or (sorry to use a footbal analogy) was he a Walcott under Erikson moment and was just taken for fun?

 

[Saint4805]

Think I also mentioned that north was rushed back for this game, it showed too North was blatantly not fully fit should of gone with Stef Evans or Giles but then again that would mean introducing young talent so definitely a no no

Stef Evans was not even available for Scarlets against Munster on Friday , bloody ridiculous such a waste

I'm wondering if North was only brought in because Cuthbert was caught out late on against England and then sent back to his club. That decision has Gatland stamped all over it. He has a history of sending home players who don't deliver or make a mistake.

 

[ThebigARena]

Sigh...'it's the fashionable thing to do.' It's amazing how you don't realise you contradict yourself, seeing as I already said I felt the Welsh have done this for years, highlighting Phillips as an example, which you the told me to get over.
So am I fashionable and trendy, or archaic and refusing to let things go? If it's both then wow I guess I really am the jack of all trades.

In terms of Marler, fair enoughh. One point on contrast is that most scrums are still badly managed and are you going to claim Marler is the only player doing it? If he doesn't, the opposition will. That's not an excuse, but he is not guilty alone. Now your turn...when was the last time and English player shook his head because he got caught pulling a player back off the ball cynically in a try scoring opportunity?

"In terms of marler fair enough " that proves my point, I wouldn't exactly call mike Philips or Webb a cheater they just try to get an advantage just like marler ...But Webb didn't prevent a try he simply tried to aid a Welsh attack..people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones when you have a horrible obnoxious and abhorrent player like mike brown who almost ended Conor murrays career ( yep in the past but that's where you want to go) don't make out our lads are that bad they ain't malicious like him that's for sure.

 

[Reiser99]

"In terms of marler fair enough " that proves my point, Iwouldnt exactly call mike Philips or Webb a cheater they just try to get an advantage just like marler ...But Webb didn't prevent a try he simply try to aid a Welsh try . people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones when you have a horrible obnoxious and abhorrent player like mike brown who almost ended Conor murrays career ( yep in the past but that's where you want to go) don't make out our lad are that bad they ain't malicious like him that's for sure

Wow you seriously can't concede anything...I even mowed the grass on the middle ground for you to take.

In that case how about Liam Williams intentionally leaving his leg trailing to knee an Irish player (can't remember who off the top of my head) in the head after he scored a try. Your attitude is pathetic, because of instead of holding up our hands and just saying, yes today they were bad, hopefully they won't do it again, you keep dregging up examples from the past (which you accused me of doing) as though it justifies their behaviour. I have accepted that English players do not always do the right thing, hell Danny Grewcock (yes I know this is old) would have been banned for years if he played now. Is it that difficult to accept that maybe some Welsh players do play unfairly including intentionally, which would be cheating?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

AWJ not captaining well

Apparently Biggar/Halfpenny overrulled his captaincy choices as well (refused to kick for goal).
That just straight up shouldn't happen. What's the point in a captain if he can't make the decisions. Fair enough if it was a 60m shot to nothing and they were saying they couldn't make it, but that wasn't the case.
The players need to be held accountable for that, imo. Completely undermines the captaincy.

 

[ncurd]

Ummmmm what Mike Brown did was perfectly legal hense why he was cited with no actioneed upon it.

If Murray had not illegally held onto the ball Brown would of never connected with his head.

But most people canthink tell the difference between what's legal.and not through one eyed nationalism. I think the last time I remember an England player committed a truly petulant act on the field was this (In an England shirt Hartley has.never been banned on England duty).

https://youtu.be/FCsPN1FyqKE

And MJ's reaction says it all. Rambert as note Daly was the first red card by an English player in 11 years. We have a completely undeserved rep in fact part the problem of Lancaster era was we didn't have enough bite.

 

[ThebigARena]

Apparently Biggar/Halfpenny overrulled his captaincy choices as well (refused to kick for goal).
That just straight up shouldn't happen. What's the point in a captain if he can't make the decisions. Fair enough if it was a 60m shot to nothing and they were saying they couldn't make it, but that wasn't the case.
The players need to be held accountable for that, imo. Completely undermines the captaincy.

Doesn't matter it wouldn't of made any difference in the result

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Ummmmm what Mike Brown did was perfectly legal hense why he was cited with no actioneed upon it.

If Murray had not illegally held onto the ball Brown would of never connected with his head.

But most people canthink tell the difference between what's legal.and not through one eyed nationalism. I think the last time I remember an England player committed a truly petulant act on the field was this (In an England shirt Hartley has.never been banned on England duty).

https://youtu.be/FCsPN1FyqKE

And MJ's reaction says it all. Rambert as note Daly was the first red card by an English player in 11 years. We have a completely undeserved rep in fact part the problem of Lancaster era was we didn't have enough bite.

Ummmmm , legal in your eyes but the real view was different , mike absolutely knew what he was doing , he is a horrible player. To put it mildly he's the type of guy to tip a person out of their wheelchair just for a laugh, the guy is a scum bag I don't care what you say tbh. Webb and bigger play silly little tricks with the ref but they are mot malicious like brown

 

[ncurd]

I have the citing commission you have a bunch of drunk Irishmen.

 

[ThebigARena]

Wow you seriously can't concede anything...I even mowed the grass on the middle ground for you to take.

In that case how about Liam Williams intentionally leaving his leg trailing to knee an Irish player (can't remember who off the top of my head) in the head after he scored a try. Your attitude is pathetic, because of instead of holding up our hands and just saying, yes today they were bad, hopefully they won't do it again, you keep dregging up examples from the past (which you accused me of doing) as though it justifies their behaviour. I have accepted that English players do not always do the right thing, hell Danny Grewcock (yes I know this is old) would have been banned for years if he played now. Is it that difficult to accept that maybe some Welsh players do play unfairly including intentionally, which would be cheating?

what can't I concede?
You we're singling out Welsh player and I am singling out English players But let's face it nobody is as bad as that scum bag brown ? I'm sick of this bashing tbh when really it's just fair game but because a Welsh player "does it" it's magnified for some reason

 

[Reiser99]

You know what...let's forget about the poor tactics by Wales and focus on the fact that Scotland produced a stunning second half performance and blew Wales away. I said at the start top 3 and I hope they prove me right, with England winning the whole comp, because if the Scottish pack and play at the same level across the board and set up the back more, then Scotland winning the 6N's might not be far off. Hell if they do beat England, which is certainly possible, they have Italy left, so would definitely be competing come the final weekend.