[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 3: Scotland vs Wales (25/02/2017)

[SelimNiai]

I'm fed up.

Fed up with the same old selections (Roberts on the bench is not a gamechanger)
Fed up with the same excuses
Fed up with the way that when we get near the opponents 22 we lose all ideas and creativity
Fed up with how many times a front 5 forward takes the ball at 1st or second reciever (GET OUT OF THE WAY FATBOYS)
Fed up with the fact we have some good players who are not (allowed to be) playing like they can
Fed up with knowing it's unlikley to change anytime soon, Howley will stay, the same team will get picked next week and Ireland will destroy us.

Grrr

 

[ncurd]

If it helps I believe it's a rest week next week so Ireland won't destroy you for a fortnight.

 

[SelimNiai]

If it helps I believe it's a rest week next week so Ireland won't destroy you for a fortnight.

D'you know, it doesnt really help.

Longer for Howley to convince himself all is well and its been a 6 tournament for us.

 

[Saint4805]

Howler needs to be replaced as Lions head attack coach asap. It's going to cost them the test series

 

[Peat]

I think most of the Welsh players have proven that they have a higher level that they aren't currently showing. I think it's less a problem in selection and/or lack of quality, and more in that the coaching team aren't getting enough out of the players. The backbone of Jones' team came from the Lancaster era, Jones just got more out of the same players.

Have they?

Since 2013, Wales haven't won the 6N, and they've won 10 games over 3 tournaments, and I'm guessing their SH record has been ugly. They've been also-rans and that's what they're playing like now.

How many members of the current side played significant parts in the Wales team that came 3rd in the 2011 WC and won back to back 6Ns in 2012/13? Because by my count, there's plenty who haven't, like pretty much all of the current tight five and half-back options. Most of the outside backs were involved, but the survivors from that period look pretty much physically shot to a man.

That only really leaves the back row as a unit that's shown themselves to be better and still be as good now.

This isn't a new thought, but one I've had for a while, getting louder and louder as more tight five guys and more outside backs look done.

 

[Ospervat]

Well done Scotland.
Best IRB ranking since it began - now 5th.

 

[ThebigARena]

Have they?

Since 2013, Wales haven't won the 6N, and they've won 10 games over 3 tournaments, and I'm guessing their SH record has been ugly. They've been also-rans and that's what they're playing like now.

How many members of the current side played significant parts in the Wales team that came 3rd in the 2011 WC and won back to back 6Ns in 2012/13? Because by my count, there's plenty who haven't, like pretty much all of the current tight five and half-back options. Most of the outside backs were involved, but the survivors from that period look pretty much physically shot to a man.

That only really leaves the back row as a unit that's shown themselves to be better and still be as good now.

This isn't a new thought, but one I've had for a while, getting louder and louder as more tight five guys and more outside backs look done.

Rugby as you know is a game of fine margins, we could of beaten England 2 weeks ago had things worked out differently , Scotland fully deserved their win but we had beaten them the previous 9 times going back to 2007, they were due a win and it was deserved , Wales are in a state of rebuilding it will take some time to get to that goal .

 

[ncurd]

Yes but to nearly beat England you had to play well whilst England had to be injured to a couple of key players and play pretty poorly for 40 mins with those they did have.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

How are Wales in a state of rebuilding?

You need to make changes to your squad to call it rebuilding that squad has been together for a while now.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I agree, Wales are not rebuilding and haven't been for ages. If anything Wales are doing the exact opposite of rebuilding, they are sticking to the player they have had for ages and the tactics they have used for ages. Wales aren't rebuilding, they simply aren't as good as their 4 year old reputations.

 

[The Jones Boy]

How are Wales in a state of rebuilding?

You need to make changes to your squad to call it rebuilding that squad has been together for a while now.

I think he's talking about Rob Howleys brain.
It's in a jar at the hospital being rebuilt.
Until then Wales shall remain stagnant in their tactics and development.

 

[Reiser99]

Hey, just got home from a pub with no signal...

Observations:
Webb is a cheating p***K like Phillips, and I mean intentional, not fine margins.
Wales have no plan B, haven't for years and when Plan A fails that's it.
The breakdown was awful. I have no idea how Wales were allowed to get away with that in the first half.
Lacey was terrible.
Scotland have showed they have the skill to win, now they need to develop consistency.
Only Welsh players for me who should be in the lions squad are Williams, Warburton and Webb (due to lack of options)
Overall,if that had been reffed fairly, I think Scotland would have won by more.

 

[Bluemoon]

I agree, Wales are not rebuilding and haven't been for ages. If anything Wales are doing the exact opposite of rebuilding, they are sticking to the player they have had for ages and the tactics they have used for ages. Wales aren't rebuilding, they simply aren't as good as their 4 year old reputations.

Who did you think Wales should have picked today instead? (genuine question, not a sarcastic one) There isn't a huge depth of quality to choose from like England, or arguably even Ireland have to choose from. Scotland have been building their team for a while.

The younger under 20's players aren't coming through quick enough or aren't making the step up to regional rugby as yet. I can reel off a number of excellent 20-22 year old prospects at the regions but wouldn't have picked them today.

 

[corny]

Even not being Welsh and having no great affinity for them can't stop me getting frustrated watching the **** show under Howley. They're a mess in loads of departments and really its unsalvageable for him. Need a change in management, personnel and emphasis.

Scotland were good. Again very clinical at home. If they can bring that on the road they've a live chance at the tournament. If England are still short names in their pack they've a good chance imo.

I was dumbfounded when Watson was dropped and his second half performance should mean that doesn't happen again. How many penalties did he win? 5? Crazy impact.

 

[ThebigARena]

Hey, just got home from a pub with no signal...

Observations:
Webb is a cheating p***K like Phillips, and I mean intentional, not fine margins.
Wales have no plan B, haven't for years and when Plan A fails that's it.
The breakdown was awful. I have no idea how Wales were allowed to get away with that in the first half.
Lacey was terrible.
Scotland have showed they have the skill to win, now they need to develop consistency.
Only Welsh players for me who should be in the lions squad are Williams, Warburton and Webb (due to lack of options)
Overall,if that had been reffed fairly, I think Scotland would have won by more.

Is this a legit comment or are you just trying to get a raise, enough of the Welsh bashing, Scotland deserved their win but I think the margin was fair enough, stop being an arse and go back to the pub and hopefully somebody gives you a slap

 

[The Jones Boy]

Great result for Scotland.
They are taking a big leap forward in this 6 Nations and along with France they are the big improvers from last year.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Who did you think Wales should have picked today instead? (genuine question, not a sarcastic one) There isn't a huge depth of quality to choose from like England, or arguably even Ireland have to choose from. Scotland have been building their team for a while.

The younger under 20's players aren't coming through quick enough or aren't making the step up to regional rugby as yet. I can reel off a number of excellent 20-22 year old prospects at the regions but wouldn't have picked them today.

I don't know enough about Welsh rugby to say who should be in the team although the likes of Roberts, J Davies, Lee, Evans and others are not international standard, let alone world class. The fact is that Wales are stagnant precisely because they haven't been rebuilding. You got your golden generation 4 years ago and now the coaches are desperately clinging to it in the hopes they can build some great Welsh resurgence on it. To be Cuthbert highlights the problems in Welsh rugby. A player low on confidence, responsible for numerous costly ****ups and with others available to take his place and yet he features again and again and again because 4 years ago he was part of the 30-3 win against England. He has done sod all since then.

 

[Reiser99]

Is this a legit comment or are you just trying to get a raise, enough of the Welsh bashing, Scotland deserved their win but I think the margin was fair enough, stop being an arse and go back to the pub and hopefully somebody gives you a slap

Actually it is. The Welsh players were allowed to lie around the ruck, stopping the scottish players clearing out and held Scottish players in, which better refs have refused to give penalties for. Yes players can compete, but not if their team is stopping the opposition, which is what Wales were doing. Part of the problem was also Lacey allowing them to do it, but sometimes it was so obvious, that it was an intentional tactic.

As for Webb, well complaining when you pull a player back to stop him tackling is pathetic. There is walking a fine line and then cheating intentionally. I felt he could have been given yellow for a cynical foul. In terms of the Phillips comment I will refer to the quick line out against Ireland, that was clearly illegal, and although the touch judge made a clear mistake, Phillips knew it was against the rules to take a quick line out.

In terms of Wales not having a plan B...well give me evidence of their variety and ability to change tactics.

Again, evidence that Lacey did not have a bad game.

In terms of the lions, which other players would you take definitely after that game?

 

[Saint4805]

Gotta love Eddie Butler referring to Tommy Seymour as Tommy Boyd throughout the game. What a muppet.

 

[ThebigARena]

Actually it is. The Welsh players were allowed to lie around the ruck, stopping the scottish players clearing out and held Scottish players in, which better refs have refused to give penalties for. Yes players can compete, but not if their team is stopping the opposition, which is what Wales were doing. Part of the problem was also Lacey allowing them to do it, but sometimes it was so obvious, that it was an intentional tactic.

As for Webb, well complaining when you pull a player back to stop him tackling is pathetic. There is walking a fine line and then cheating intentionally. I felt he could have been given yellow for a cynical foul. In terms of the Phillips comment I will refer to the quick line out against Ireland, that was clearly illegal, and although the touch judge made a clear mistake, Phillips knew it was against the rules to take a quick line out.

In terms of Wales not having a plan B...well give me evidence of their variety and ability to change tactics.

Again, evidence that Lacey did not have a bad game.

In terms of the lions, which other players would you take definitely after that game?

WOW are you REALLY STILL thinking about the quick line out by Phillips ??? Seriously get a LIFE . There's is many a time an "English" player has bent the rules but I don't dwell on it jeez...LMAO

Oh and that one small tug on a scottish player makes Webb a cheater??!

Really?

Keep sucking those lemons��