[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 2: Wales vs England (11/02/2017)

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Careful they may take exception to being told they are from Britain these are backwards Southern Irish we're talking about

as an american, i am no longer allowed to consider a person's own self-identification so they are just going to have to deal with it lol

 

[mosfeldt]

Ireland will put 50 points on England.

Croke Park 2007 never forget

 

[ncurd]

Ireland will put 50 points on England.

Croke Park 2007 never forget

#poorbants

 

[ALJ]

Ireland will put 50 points on England.

Croke Park 2007 never forget

I think you must have got lost - you want the 'Have Your Say' section on the BBC.

There's loads of stuff like this so you'll fee right at home.

 

[ncurd]

Actually looked up the history of the 6 nations between the two sides....because I'm bored.

England Trips to Dublin

17 years - 8 games - 2 wins

@Twickers

17 years - 9 games - 6 wins

Obviously purple patches for both sides 2011 until now has pretty much gone England way except 2015
2004 until 2011 was pretty much all Ireland except 2008

So pretty much even looking at the 'pattern' I'd say England win but honestly I'd call it either way currently. Shame Ireland slipped up on Scotland as I wanted a winner takes all grand slam match.

 

[McTallshort]

Actually looked up the history of the 6 nations between the two sides....because I'm bored.

England Trips to Dublin

17 years - 8 games - 2 wins

@Twickers

17 years - 9 games - 6 wins

Obviously purple patches for both sides 2011 until now has pretty much gone England way except 2015
2004 until 2011 was pretty much all Ireland except 2008

So pretty much even looking at the 'pattern' I'd say England win but honestly I'd call it either way currently. Shame Ireland slipped up on Scotland as I wanted a winner takes all grand slam match.

Yeah as long as we had beaten Scotland....

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Ireland will put 50 points on England.

Croke Park 2007 never forget

I won't, I was there. In fairness to you, it was a hell of English team you beat. Morgan, Farrell,Freshwater, Chuter, Deacon and Lund. All modern day greats.

Just remind me which group Ireland didn't get out at the RWC a few months later.

 

[ncurd]

Yeah as long as we had beaten Scotland....

The last time Scotland beat us at Twickenham I hadn't been born yet.....look not saying we can't loose but c'mon it would be against the entire weight of history.

 

[TobesHodges]

What do you think the team to play Italy will be?
I don't think EJ will want to make wholesale changes considering how slightly out of sorts England have been. Maybe something like this?

1. M.Vunipola (If he plays well at the weekend) 2. Hartley 3. Cole 4. Lawes 5. Launchbury 6. Haskell 7. Itoje 8. Clifford
9. Youngs 10. Ford 11. Daly 12. Farrell 13. Jospeh 14. Nowell 15. Brown.
16. George 17. Marler 18. Mullan 19. Hughes 20. Harrison 21. Care 22. Teo 23. Watson

Thinking maybe Clifford at 8, just to try up a different option, a bit more dynamism than hughes, Itoje to 7, which i think hes more of than a 6 and maybe give Hask a start?

 

[McTallshort]

The last time Scotland beat us at Twickenham I hadn't been born yet.....look not saying we can't loose but c'mon it would be against the entire weight of history.

Bet you don't remember 1990? Yes it was Murrayfield but those ******s can always pull off 1 upset in a decade and we are about due one.

 

[Mike Rolls]

From the press today it does look as though Eddie Jones is thinking of starting with George as hooker with Farrell as captain - but then - who knows?
Mike

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Question for anyone who watches Moriarty more often than I do.

He was sensational on Saturday for sure. Is that representative of him week in week out? In some earlier games for Wales I thought he went under the radar a bit.
So I'm wondering is he as good as last weekends form indicated? Can he keep that sort of stuff up?

On a side note, regardless of the answer, can I note for the record that with some pundits already mentioning him with regards to the Lions, it's not only England players who get talked up after a couple of good games!

 

[ratsapprentice]

On a side note, regardless of the answer, can I note for the record that with some pundits already mentioning him with regards to the Lions, it's not only England players who get talked up after a couple of good games!

Just England JWC winners.

 

[Mike Rolls]

Bet you don't remember 1990? Yes it was Murrayfield but those ******s can always pull off 1 upset in a decade and we are about due one.

That's what worries me. Never underestimate how much Scotland can lift their game when they see opposition wearing white (perhaps we should play in that ghastly sort og grey used in the RWC to deceive them!)
Mike

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Actually looked up the history of the 6 nations between the two sides....because I'm bored.

England Trips to Dublin

17 years - 8 games - 2 wins

@Twickers

17 years - 9 games - 6 wins

Obviously purple patches for both sides 2011 until now has pretty much gone England way except 2015
2004 until 2011 was pretty much all Ireland except 2008

So pretty much even looking at the 'pattern' I'd say England win but honestly I'd call it either way currently. Shame Ireland slipped up on Scotland as I wanted a winner takes all grand slam match.

Another pattern that could be looked at is that Joe Schmidt's Ireland has only ever lost to NZ in Dublin. Based on the first two weekends you'd have to say England but if we can win our next two games everything will look very 2001!

 

[Raggs]

Love how he see's AWJ and drags him down with him :lol:
"**** it, you're getting involved too"


Did we get a penalty from that, because Tipuric didn't release before going for the ball

No penalty, but at the time I remarked (to a kiwi lad actually, who'd I'd met that day and invited around to watch the games) how much I loved Hughes doing that to AWJ. Very clever, not only taking AWJ out of play, but preventing him from trying a turnover too and slowing the ball down.

The one with the scrum shows just how long it took Clifford to react, he doesn't even react to Tipuric coming off. Lawes appears to be at lock in that game, and he's out before Clifford.

EDIT - Moriaty plays well every week, big tackles, good carrier with good lines too. Just seems like a very determined player.

 

[ratsapprentice]

EDIT - Moriaty plays well every week, big tackles, good carrier with good lines too. Just seems like a very determined player.

Yep - was one of (the many) key players for England first JWC win.

 

[Peat]

Just watched around the 57th minute, not sure I found the specific instance. But there is the one in which his pause before passing to Faletau allowed Haskell to line up and drive him back. Which incidentally does explain Faletaus lack of metres somewhat. Even with this example, there were times when Youngs waited a good couple of seconds longer than Webb waiting for his egg to hatch. But yeah, In general If a big carrier is being driven back you have to at least ask the question what role did the scrum half play in setting him up to fail. Of course it's not that simple a lot of the time but really if there is quickish ball and the 9 does his job in a timely fashion, the only way should be forward.

Pick a ruck, any ruck. He is spending a second or two looking at his forwards at a good 50% of them in that passage of play from when the clock passes 57 minutes. Compare and contrast with 62 minutes on where Youngs is arriving at rucks, picking the ball up, and passing pretty much straight away.

 

[ALJ]

Question for anyone who watches Moriarty more often than I do.

He was sensational on Saturday for sure. Is that representative of him week in week out? In some earlier games for Wales I thought he went under the radar a bit.
So I'm wondering is he as good as last weekends form indicated? Can he keep that sort of stuff up?

On a side note, regardless of the answer, can I note for the record that with some pundits already mentioning him with regards to the Lions, it's not only England players who get talked up after a couple of good games!

I watch him at Gloucester and he is getting better almost by the week.

Better at 6 than 8 I think but his work rate is excellent and he hits like a bus.
IMHO, he's better suited to running lines further out from the ruck as he has a knack for picking very good angles rather than wading into the heavy traffic.

Being over-hyped a little but right now (someone always is, right), he's doing all the right things.

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Another pattern that could be looked at is that Joe Schmidt's Ireland has only ever lost to NZ in Dublin. Based on the first two weekends you'd have to say England but if we can win our next two games everything will look very 2001!

My heart wants it to be so but I just don't see us winning in Dublin this year.

Think we will just about get past Scotland (home advantage being key) but Ireland away will be a step too far IMHO as they are a class side.
And tbh, I think that's fine - we're not finished yet and I don't think a timely dose of reality would do us any harm.

 

[The Jones Boy]

You can't always have support runners as number 8.

You can't always have support runners period. To have zero support runners indicates a serious issue.

On another note I saw the post=match interview with Webb and his comment about being taken off at 65 minutes made it abundantly clear to me that there is some division in the Wales camp, I thought he did nothing whatsoever do disguise dis disagreement with Howleys decision, probably fuelled not just by his own substitution but that if Moriarty which is being widely condemned.

Howley blew it.
Again.
Comes a time when someone will have to draw a line under his poor decisions and toss him to the wolves.