[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 4: England vs. Wales (12/03/2016)

[valley commando]

Alright then. You go out and shout "oh black boy" or "oh gypsy boy" at people of those races. Let me know if they get offended.

In regards to the Francis incident, I'm not convinced it's accidental. Does look like he's going for the eyes, so needs a long long ban. Gouging is the worst thing you can do on a rugby pitch imo, so book should be thrown at him.

The 2nd worse thing next to bag snatching. I got sent off twice for re-acting to that heinous act, one was a head butt the other a punch, the perpetrator of the initial offence in each instance remained on the pitch, in my opinion what they did to me was far worse than the broken nose and split lip suffered by them.

 

[TommiG88]

The 2nd worse thing next to bag snatching. I got sent off twice for re-acting to that heinous act, one was a head butt the other a punch, the perpetrator of the initial offence in each instance remained on the pitch, in my opinion what they did to me was far worse than the broken nose and split lip suffered by them.

You are a lovely fella.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Well this Marler incident should be dealt with carefully. The word "gypsy" to my knowledge is not in itself offensive, it is the name of the group in the same way we are "English". Are we going to say going "oi *Group name* boy" is now a racist? Oi English boy, racist? Nobody would agree. I don't doubt Marler intended to cause offense but I don't see how the phrase "oi Gypsy boy" is racist. We could get the the stage where it becomes racist to refer to anyone by the actual name of their nationality. Think if you address someone from Pakistan as "Pakistani", there will be calls of racism despite it being the actual name of that persons nationality.

 

[McTallshort]

Is Lee a do-as-you-likey? seems a random statement.

 

[SelimNiai]

Well this Marler incident should be dealt with carefully. The word "gypsy" to my knowledge is not in itself offensive, it is the name of the group in the same way we are "English". Are we going to say going "oi *Group name* boy" is now a racist? Oi English boy, racist? Nobody would agree. I don't doubt Marler intended to cause offense but I don't see how the phrase "oi Gypsy boy" is racist. We could get the the stage where it becomes racist to refer to anyone by the actual name of their nationality. Think if you address someone from Pakistan as "Pakistani", there will be calls of racism despite it being the actual name of that persons nationality.

Its context and connotations. In this case it was said in a moment of high emotion and aggression. I don't know about you but if I'm ****** off about someone or in a scuffe I'm not exactly worried about offending them.

 

[Peat]

Well this Marler incident should be dealt with carefully. The word "gypsy" to my knowledge is not in itself offensive, it is the name of the group in the same way we are "English". Are we going to say going "oi *Group name* boy" is now a racist? Oi English boy, racist? Nobody would agree. I don't doubt Marler intended to cause offense but I don't see how the phrase "oi Gypsy boy" is racist. We could get the the stage where it becomes racist to refer to anyone by the actual name of their nationality. Think if you address someone from Pakistan as "Pakistani", there will be calls of racism despite it being the actual name of that persons nationality.

Google 'Is Gypsy a racial slur' and you'll find a better answer than I can provide but yes it is offensive and no it is not the preferred name of the groups to which it refers.

And, as a general rule of thumb, referring to anyone by their ethnic origin in a derogatory manner is generally offensive and will probably be considered racist in at least some quarters.

 

[duncanb]

Abusive and/ or racist language has an entry point of 4 weeks will no doubt pled guilty so 1 week reduction for doing so.
Precedent set 're eye's and reinforced on appeal so 10 for Francis.
Jones and Gatland by:
1.making player apologize
2.saying it doesn't look good.
know where both likely to go.
I make no personal comments just what is most likely outcome.

 

[Tony Manx]

A guy in Hull got convicted of racism for calling, I believe, a traffic warden "English" only last week !

 

[itsonlyrugby]

Google 'Is Gypsy a racial slur' and you'll find a better answer than I can provide but yes it is offensive and no it is not the preferred name of the groups to which it refers.

And, as a general rule of thumb, referring to anyone by their ethnic origin in a derogatory manner is generally offensive and will probably be considered racist in at least some quarters.

No-one will ever convince me that someone calling out "oi gypsy boi" on the field of play is doing so from a position of friendship and/or sincerity. It's antagonistic at best,agrresive,provocative and racist at worst

 

[duncanb]

Francis cited,
Kiddie cited ,for his spear in U20s
Haskell received warning for neck roll.
Nothing on Marler as yet.

 

[Bluemoon]

Francis had to be sighted. I've usually got sympathy for any player joining a ruck at speed for the collisions that happen, as rugby is a contact sport. However, his finger did bend and needs to be investigated and fairly punished.

Marler's cheeky elbow on Rob Evans on the floor was a bit naughty as well.

Marler's use of the term Gypsy was completely out of order, just as referring to anyone's race or ethnicity in a negative and derogatory way should be on the rugby field. I'm not buying that he was just referring to Lee by what he might describe himself as, as the context was to insult and offend. I appreciate Marler apologising as things are said in the heat of the the moment, but it needs to be sanctioned. If respect is valued as much as world rugby says it is then there has to be response.

 

[TobesHodges]

Great game of rugby, unlucky Wales two decent outfits going at it till the 80th, let's beats the frogs in their backyard next week Although who wants to go to Paris against any French side with their backs and against the wall with a point to prove >.<, onto yesterday's game.

Some very over critical comments on poor Nowelly, I thought he had a brilliant game and I really can't see what the problem is, I think he's a brilliant number 2 to May and even pushing him for that starting spot, people saying he's not quick enough? North caught him flat footed in the 75th minute and that was about it.. I agree that I think May would still pip him at the moment.

Itoje was brilliant, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, I hope after 10-15 caps and he's still putting in 7+/10 performances then we'll be able to bow down to him. What a difference it makes having just one very decent link between forwards and backs, I think we need more and Clifford could be the answer to that. Maro's problem will be he'll be playing a lot of 7 or 6 for his club as sarries already have two/three pretty decent Row's in there roster..
There will probably be a few nay Sayers when I say that the time of the big bulky second row is coming to an end, players like (o'connell, attwood, Maestri), the Allblacks have shown everyone the way with second rows and players like Maro, Henderson, launchbury prove them right, I'd say Eztebeth the only player out there at the moment that is an exception to this.

Really like Jones, he's strikes me as a real manager than a Coach, he won't get as personal as Lancaster did and will probably just tell the lads to go out there and do a job for the country, if you don't you don't, but you won't be in the team on merit..

But great first RBS for Eddie Jones and we played some really decent rugby which was great to see!
Roll on next Saturday!

 

[ratsapprentice]

I'd take Nowell over May.

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Really like Jones, he's strikes me as a real manager than a Coach, he won't get as personal as Lancaster did and will probably just tell the lads to go out there and do a job for the country, if you don't you don't, but you won't be in the team on merit..

Interesting - I see it in exactly the reverse.

 

[Maverick1987]

I'd take Nowell over May.

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Interesting - I see it in exactly the reverse.

Nowell over May every day ! As a matter of fact I have Lewington and Roko over May too

I also agree about Eddie and Lancaster too . EJ seems a hands on coach and SL more a manager in the football sense

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

Nowell over May every day ! As a matter of fact I have Lewington and Roko over May too

I also agree about Eddie and Lancaster too . EJ seems a hands on coach and SL more a manager in the football sense

I've always wanted Nowell over May, just think he's a much more level headed player, cleverer and better in contact, much better link play, safer under the high ball.

Him being gassed by North twice yesterday has got me worried. It's not exactly a terrible flaw to be slower than North, but I'd have backed May to make those tackles.

Nowell's looked fine in the other three games though, so who knows.

If England are going to blitz and rely on line speed, they might be better off with a real speed demon for when they are caught out by an overlap.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It would be a shame to lose Nowell, he is a phenomenal player but his lack of top end speed has been an issue. Ideally he could replace Brown and then keep Watson on as a winger with someone like Roko on the other wing. I think May could be a potentially fantastic winger if he could get his head sorted, he doesn't seem to have confidence in his team mates and looks to do everything himself. In a game where we can create space for wingers and when we play kick chasing, someone like May could be invaluable. I don't know anyone that could catch him. Having Watson and May would give us some pretty damn quick wingers with Watson in particular being unbelievable in the air.

 

[Lé Ddanno]

You are a lovely fella.

I'd break face if someone nicked my handbag too.

 

[Maverick1987]

Thinking back if I was Welsh id be seriously worried about the first 60 minutes being papered over by the last 10 . They should make no mistake the first half was as bad as I've seen Wales play for a decade . They were simply awful . Biggar got shown up to be what I expected eventually which is someone who was riding a wave of good form rather than the messiah the Welsh made him out to be .

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Thinking back if I was Welsh id be seriously worried about the first 60 minutes being papered over by the last 10 . They should make no mistake the first half was as bad as I've seen Wales play for a decade . They were simply awful . Biggar got shown up to be what I expected eventually which is someone who was riding a wave of good form rather than the messiah the Welsh made him out to be .

I think to be fair, a decent chunk of the Welsh recognised Biggar was solid but uninspiring at 10.

 

[Maverick1987]

I think to be fair, a decent chunk of the Welsh recognised Biggar was solid but uninspiring at 10.

I live in Wales and although I obviously haven't spoken to every Welshman the majority believe he was nailed on starting 10 for the lions. Some even saying he is the best 10 in the world ......

Although it would probably be right of me to mention that there aren't lots of people I know that watch much rugby outside of the internationals