[2016 RBS Six Nations] Round 4: England vs. Wales (12/03/2016)

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

A million times this. Ford will probably take the flak for the chargedown, but it was a shocker of a pass from a scrum half. Add to that the number times England's momentum is checked when a forward has to catch the ball over the head just prior to contact. Can Care's box-kicking be so bad (and Youngs' so good) that he's not worth the start?

Ford has still been crap all this season pretty much.

 

[Hulkster]

A million times this. Ford will probably take the flak for the chargedown, but it was a shocker of a pass from a scrum half. Add to that the number times England's momentum is checked when a forward has to catch the ball over the head just prior to contact. Can Care's box-kicking be so bad (and Youngs' so good) that he's not worth the start?

Wasps have two scrum halfs capable of rendering this question moot.

 

[Peat]

A million times this. Ford will probably take the flak for the chargedown, but it was a shocker of a pass from a scrum half. Add to that the number times England's momentum is checked when a forward has to catch the ball over the head just prior to contact. Can Care's box-kicking be so bad (and Youngs' so good) that he's not worth the start?

I could have sworn his first pass from the line out went over the head of the intended target.

I think Jones might be holding back Care until the end as that's when he expects that to be space to play in, so that's when he needs his better passer. For me, if Youngs doesn't improve quickly, I think it's time to drop him altogether. Great as he in some respects, that pass kills things.

Ford shouldn't have tried kicking it though; he's got everything to be the best fly-half in the world going forwards but decision making under pressure. That'll come though.

TM - Wouldn't have been 7 if not for that pass to Ford.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Wasps have two scrum halfs capable of rendering this question moot.

yrh but one is the back equivalent of Tom Croft injuries wise.

TM - Wouldn't have been 7 if not for that pass to Ford.

With Ford's current form i wouldn't be so sure.

FYI i also think BY has been poor

 

[Crapspray]

Ford shouldn't have tried kicking it though; he's got everything to be the best fly-half in the world going forwards but decision making under pressure. That'll come though.

True, though if we're being fair Biggar deserves a lot of credit too. It looks like Eddie is determined to stick with Ford through the bad patch of form, which will hopefully help dig him out of the rut. That seems to be one of the main differences with selection/development of youth so far.

I sincerely hope he takes a third scrum half to Australia though. Youngs and Care have no more than 12 months to prove they can hold form and round out their games in my eyes, otherwise we should really start looking beyond them.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

To the tune of Flash by Queen
"Flash"

It oje
saviour of England rugby
It oje
He'll save every one of us

(Seemingly there is no reason for these extraordinary rugby upsets)
(Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha)
(What's happening itoje?)
(Only Eddie Jones, formerly at Japan, has provided any explanation)

It ah haa oje
He's a miracle

(This morning's unprecedented thumping of wales is no cause for alarm)

It oje
King of the impossible

He's tackles every one of them
Pass for every one of us
He save with a mighty hand
Every man, every woman
Every child, with a mighty
Itoje

(General Gatland, Maro Itoje approaching.)
(What do you mean Maro Itoje approaching? spear tackle! All players! Dispatch war rocket Warburton to bring back his body)

It oje
(maro alive!)

It oje
He'll save every one of us

Just a man
With a man's courage
You know he's
Nothing but a man
And he can never fail
No one but the pure at heart
May find the Webb Ellis
...Oh..Oh........Oh..Oh....

(Itoje, Itoje, I love you, but we only have fourteen hours to save england rugby!)
Itoje

 

[valley commando]

Fair play to England for hanging on nervously, however they were gifted a first 55 or so minutes as we didn't turn up prior to then.
However 3 tries to one tells a story, (how about 9 points for a converted try) had we been on fire from the off it would have been a markedly different result,Howley must go and Wales need to bring in an attack coach who understands how to attack from the off, Itojo deservedly mom, congratulations England, make the most of it 'cause it'll be a long time before anyone gives you that much of a head start.

 

[Thingimubob]

Again can we see the Williams pass?

So North wasn't in touch then. That's what we're debating right? Not arguing the pass (I'm not in a position to watch it right now). Up your game mate

Also to back up my previous post, I am fully on the itoje train. Guy awesome.

 

[ncurd]

I don't think 3 trys to one tells any kind of story. England were very close to scoring 2 trys that were probably lost on the question asked by the ref.

Wales' trys one was an charge down, onegotiation was a forward pass. And two of them were when England were 1 man down.

Level pegging on that front.

 

[jackass11]

Hi,

England weren't gifted the first 55 mins, they dominated wales in every aspect, blew them away, the only reason they stayed in the game was wales infringing with penalties rather than allowing england to build phases and scoring tries

Wales were never in the contest, even with three late tries

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

scumV is a fun read.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Wasps have two scrum halfs capable of rendering this question moot.

No they don't.
Simpson is the English Matawalu, he's a winger.
Basics are not at international standard.

 

[Crapspray]

scumV is a fun read.

I see what you did there... sly dog.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

No. No......

A million times this. Ford will probably take the flak for the chargedown, but it was a shocker of a pass from a scrum half. Add to that the number times England's momentum is checked when a forward has to catch the ball over the head just prior to contact. Can Care's box-kicking be so bad (and Youngs' so good) that he's not worth the start?

Not having that. Off a poor pass the decision still rests with the 10. If it's not quality, the kick option is gone. Either truck it or pass. Just playing what you've been told to do is unacceptable. That was **** poor from Youngs but terrible from Ford,

 

[ratsapprentice]

No they don't.
Simpson is the English Matawalu, he's a winger.
Basics are not at international standard.

Yip.

Robson has the best skillset of any England SH imo... but there's a possibility that he's the half-back version of 36.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Jourbert didn't make that call, the 4th official did. So anyone having a go at him needs to reign it in a bit.

The TMO copped out, but the ref is the sole arbiter and doesn't have to accept the TMO's view. Judging by the crowd's reaction it was shown on the big screen so Joubert saw it and is 100% accountable in my book.

 

[chris walker]

Firstly congratulations to England they deserved to win the game and from what I saw (for 75 minuets anyway) they wanted it more. Like Eddie Jones said whoever plays the smartest will win the game and England played some smart rugby, e.g. taking every three that was on offer and playing heads up rugby. As for wales their attack is pretty awful and it has been for a while now (apart from the last 5-10 minutes when the game was lost) and I agree Howley must go and I've thought that for ages, Wales have dangerous players they just don't get them into space effectively and I think that's down to the way they're coached, if they could attack as well as they can defend (granted today wasn't the best of examples of this) they should be able to compete with the top teams until then I don't see us getting any better than we currently are

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Not having that. Off a poor pass the decision still rests with the 10. If it's not quality, the kick option is gone. Either truck it or pass. Just playing what you've been told to do is unacceptable. That was **** poor from Youngs but terrible from Ford,

Agreed. You've got to play the situation as it is not as you'd like it to be. But equally show me a 10 who has never been charged down like that.

 

[Crapspray]

Not having that. Off a poor pass the decision still rests with the 10. If it's not quality, the kick option is gone. Either truck it or pass. Just playing what you've been told to do is unacceptable. That was **** poor from Youngs but terrible from Ford,

I agree the decision was wrong from Ford, he didn't look up before shaping the kick, but an international scrum-half should be making that pass in his sleep. Ford would not have been forced to make the decision had his scrum-half executed the basics of his position to the required level.

As I said earlier as well, Youngs' poor passing has broken up attacking momentum several times in the last two games as he's stopped forwards running onto the ball by passing behind and over their heads. This is his main job. He's consistently failed to do it. I loved the turnover five yards out, and he's kryptonite to the Welsh fringe defence, but he can't escape criticism on such a fundamental skill.

If Farrell shanks a kick in front of the posts ten yards away he deserves a bollocking; if Youngs doesn't deliver a good fifteen yard pass to his fly-half off a lineout he deserves one too.

 

[MarkyH]

Fair play to England for hanging on nervously, however they were gifted a first 55 or so minutes as we didn't turn up prior to then.
However 3 tries to one tells a story, (how about 9 points for a converted try) had we been on fire from the off it would have been a markedly different result,Howley must go and Wales need to bring in an attack coach who understands how to attack from the off, Itojo deservedly mom, congratulations England, make the most of it 'cause it'll be a long time before anyone gives you that much of a head start.

Fair play to Wales for making a game of it, however they were gifted the last 10 or 15 minutes as we'd already won by then.
However 3 tries to one tells a story, that story being that Wales had their backs to the wall and Englands game forced their hand. Had England been on fire from the off it would have been a markedly different result, we would of been 20 up by HT. As for Wales, Howley must go and Wales need to bring in an attack coach who understands how to attack from the off. But, I'm sure England would've played differently too if that was the case. Itojo deservedly motm, congratulations England, because Wales, despite any complex ValleyComando has, aren't as good as he thinks they are... Then again, nor are England. But the best team won. Thats all. Mis quote that *****es!

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I love the fact that you can be gifted 55/60/70 minutes... I just wish that my team didn't gift the opposition 79 mins every week. Cause that first minute of every game I play we are the better team...