[2015 Six Nations] Ireland vs England (Round 3)

[Tony Manx]

Until you watch a game from the 80's and realise why the term "amateur" has negative connotations. :lol:

I don't know why people are so quick to point to Lancaster when our players are poor technically or tactically, sure he's technically head coach, but in the same way that Alex King is clearly the guy who should take the vast majority of the credit for Saints' attack.... Farrell and Rowntree are the guys who are ultimately responsible for the technical performance IMO.

I take your point but,ultimately, it is Lancaster who is responsible and he makes the selection and sub calls both of which he got sooooooooooooooo wrong and usually does!!

 

[ayrshireladdie]

When is the ball out

Andy Goode showed a terrific piece of skill against Ireland catching the ball in the air and throwing it back onto the pitch before he touched the ground. The linesman however put his flag up for a lineout. My understanding is that in rugby the ball is only out when it touches something or someone over the touchline that is touching he ground. Was the linesman correct?

 

[j'nuh]

And people say it's difficult being a Welsh fan.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

Until you watch a game from the 80's and realise why the term "amateur" has negative connotations. :lol:

I don't know why people are so quick to point to Lancaster when our players are poor technically or tactically, sure he's technically head coach, but in the same way that Alex King is clearly the guy who should take the vast majority of the credit for Saints' attack.... Farrell and Rowntree are the guys who are ultimately responsible for the technical performance IMO.

Because we underwhelmed in all the ways we expected to underwhelm, given the selection of both starting XV and bench. Goode being the pink elephant in the room, but also the bench options we had out there.

 

[Peat]

I think Lancaster was seething in that interview.... he came across as seriously p*ssed and just about keeping it in.

And so he should be.

I've been criticising Lancaster for a long time and will probably keep doing so - he makes some notable mistakes. But the players, well, I'm just not sure they're there at the moment. If the players make those mistakes, what can Lancaster do?

We've got a good coach coaching a good squad. But when you stick that up against teams possessed of excellence - good isn't enough. At the top table, we are mediocre.

Maybe its time to dial down the expectation.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't think Haskell and Attwood will start vs Scotland, with Lawes and Wood back playing for Saints as of this week.

Goode was terrible, luckily Brown is back. If he wasn't then I'd have Pennell, or pretty much any English player who's ever worn a 15 shirt in their career, over him.
Youngs was poor - had one decent snip early on but got expontentially worse throughout the rest of the game. Wigglesworth has to start, he's so much better at the basics of being a scrumhalf, which is what we need.
Ford did some good, some bad. Would keep him starting, but we can't be afraid to bring on Cipriani.

I think we should've started 36 today, we needed the extra kicking option in the backline. That said I woudn't start him next week, as I think Burrell's physicality in the midfield vs the Scots will have more impact than 36's kicking.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

If I was to liken this England team to a bond actor it would be Moore.

Despite on paper being highly talented and should be a excellent fit, the mangers (scriptwriters) have failed to find a plan of action that should take them to what they should be able to achieve.

Even though there is the odd moment of excellence generally at the end of the feature you can't help but be disappointed by the end product. No matter what has happened.

FYI this has nothing to do with the fact I am now watching a view to a kill.

 

[Patchey]

Dick Wiggle poses no threat around the breakdown.....COUGH COUGH COUGH

+1 for use of Dick Wiggle

 

[munstermuffin]

Wow Ireland's worst defender today missing 6 tackles was Henshaw. But he was immense. And well every guy put body on line. And Munster bias here but wow what a manPOC is.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Because we underwhelmed in all the ways we expected to underwhelm, given the selection of both starting XV and bench. Goode being the pink elephant in the room, but also the bench options we had out there.

Yeah, but... imagine you swapped out Farrell and Rowntree for the outstanding Defence, Attack and Forwards coaches - for me you could improve the side significantly.
I don't think you'd really notice that much difference in the on field performance if you swapped Lancaster for Mallinder or Baxter or whoever you consider to be the outstanding HC/DOR.

I think Lancaster is quite comfortable deferring to his coaches, and that may be a fault, but ultimately I think if he had better coaches you couldn't improve on him as a DOR (which is what he is basically).

 

[LiRFCMatt]

I said before that our set piece is one of the best in the world. I have never been more appalled by an English line out in my life. It was kind of disgusting to watch. We managed to mess everything up, it was pretty remarkable. We were so poor at committing to rucks, terrible under the high ball, woeful with our discipline. When we played sensibly we were dangerous, but our sensibility over the course of 80 minutes came to maybe 5 mins of play in total. Really horrid performance and painful to watch,

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Andy Goode showed a terrific piece of skill against Ireland catching the ball in the air and throwing it back onto the pitch before he touched the ground. The linesman however put his flag up for a lineout. My understanding is that in rugby the ball is only out when it touches something or someone over the touchline that is touching he ground. Was the linesman correct?

No, the linesman got it wrong.
If you jump from in the field of play and knock it back in, it doesn't count as going back. The linesman must've thought Goode was on or over the line when he jumped, but replays show he wasn't.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

If nothing else we have learned that Goode should never EVER be back in the England side. Utterly ****e in a team that was very poor. A Fullback beaten by a 12 in a jump behind your own try line!? Absolutely no excuse and as for his attempts at running... Seriously, we need to get rid of him.

 

[valley commando]

I feel the battle of the breakdown has a clear winner today.

Yes men against boys at the breakdown, I thought that Joubert was good apart from the lack of a yellow with England giving all those early penalties.
Like Wales, Ireland improve game on game in a tournament, its going to be interesting in Cardiff.

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

Wow Ireland's worst defender today missing 6 tackles was Henshaw. But he was immense. And well every guy put body on line. And Munster bias here but wow what a manPOC is.

Not bias, he's incredible. And you've justified your insanity Zebo was class.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Ireland really should physically dominate England, there's little in it in the forwards but when you look at our backs, all of whom are over 6" and all but Henshaw being bigger than their opposite number. Addded to the fact that two of the three best ball carrying forwards, Healy, SOB and Vunipola, Ireland really should have an upper hand in the contact zone. France showed that to score against Ireland you have to batter them to exhaustion when they'll begin to make make mistakes and I don't think England have the front row, wings or centres to do that. For England to win this one, Ford will have to rule the game, keep Ireland pinned back and hope the back three are on point. The only way I see England scoring tries is through a maul or getting the upper hand in an attacking scrum.
Im going to be bold, and arrogant, and predict a 1 try game with Ireland winning by 5+. Obviously none of you English will agree but that's the beauty of an a Ireland v England thread!

I see an enormous amount of **** posts festering in this thread.
Typical 6N bandwagon troglodytes out for their few weeks basking in the glory of the 6N


Ireland will either physically dismantle England
Or Ireland will concede trys early and not have the firepower to pull back.

It's up to Ireland essentially. England as nice as they appear to be playing aren't going to win unless they come out all guns blazing and get some early scores then merely keep the scoreboard ticking.

But I can see England come undone when put up against our defense. Either that or I eat my words and we are blitzed by a genuinely potent attacking force.

Na, just wait til Schmidt gets Murray's and Sexton's kicking on point. Ireland to win the second half too.

Called it.


And I reckon Johnny may would have finished what others could not today. When the Irish legs slowed up he'd have opened it up.

It would appear that our raw sexiness isn't the only thing that makes us the best around here! *finishes wanking LN7 off and waits for return of favour*

 

[j'nuh]

I feel sorry for Cips. Given a taste of England and likes it enough to sign a new contract to keep going. Perfect player to bring on today, to chase the game. Not trusted enough to even have a minute of game time. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes back into the wilderness when Farrell returns.

 

[goodNumber10]

Until you watch a game from the 80's and realise why the term "amateur" has negative connotations. :lol:

I don't know why people are so quick to point to Lancaster when our players are poor technically or tactically, sure he's technically head coach, but in the same way that Alex King is clearly the guy who should take the vast majority of the credit for Saints' attack.... Farrell and Rowntree are the guys who are ultimately responsible for the technical performance IMO.

Selection of the coaches and players? Sure, but the inconsistency in performance isn't directly down to him in my mind.

I don't think the coaches are to blame for that in anyway.. I think there were some poor tactical calls by england and that impacted on their ability to moutn any pressure.

the kick to the corner then line out in the first half. 5 out, no possesion to speak of so what do england do? Go for the hardest throw you to a jumper at the back... just why would you do that?

Banker ball, hold some pressure even if you get held out.... it just felt like they were panicking from the first minute of the game, ford trying to run it out of his own 22, just smash it down the touchline and worry about defending hard.

Think Haskell will be dropped, think Youngs (could be dropped), Goode will probably go to the bench with 36 dropping out.

 

[stus768]

England seem to get worse the longer they are with their coaches.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Absolutely no excuse and as for his attempts at running....

What, you don't like when he runs, then "steps" by stopping, slowly turning, then setting off running again?
The amount of players he's fooled with those moves is nearing 1!