[2015 Six Nations] Ireland vs England (Round 3)

[Every Time Ref]

Fitzgerald has been playing as well for Munster as JJ has been for Leicester....

His last match for Ireland was that match that never happened in 2013. A while ago yes but he's currently fit and as good as Watson is and will be it's a pretty easy choice for me. Yeah he's played mostly 13 since coming back, quite well as well, with most people wanting him ahead of Payne. However he's said Schmidt wants to look at him on the wing and so his last Leinster match was there where he won motm, albeit against Zebre.

Munster, Leinster, whatever. Too arrogant to care mate.

Lot of the talk from the Irish seems to be saying he's the form choice on the wing. Look forward to seeing him back, just as soon as we're done with crushing you into the dirt

 

[msf]

After 3 years Lancaster still doesn't understand that right and left wing are different- if Nowell has a defensive shocker and is then dropped (as Yarde was last summer), it will be more a reflection of Lancaster's ability as a selector than his as a player.

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4 full backs and no left winger, that's Lancaster for you.

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I just hope he won't play a concussed Mike Brown on the left wing.

 

[chippieolamus]

It's not exactly a huge difference though is it? Same positions essentially, I would be surprised if it affects Nowell that much.

 

[msf]

I think it is, you are used to the ball coming over the over shoulder for a start, as well as tackling with the other shoulder. I think the players who can play both well have often played 7s, where they play both sides.

 

[ncurd]

Munster, Leinster, whatever. Too arrogant to care mate.

Lot of the talk from the Irish seems to be saying he's the form choice on the wing. Look forward to seeing him back, just as soon as we're done with crushing you into the dirt

Isn't all of Ireland the same place apart from Ulster?

 

[msf]

Also the kicking angles are different.

 

[LiRFCMatt]

My composite side with more detail to be found here: http://fourballsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/ireland-and-england-composite-side.html

Front Row: Cian Healy, Dylan Hartley & Dan Cole
Second Row: Dave Attwood & Paul O'Connell
Back Row: James Haskell, Chris Robshaw & Billy Vunipola
Half Backs: Ben Youngs & Jonny Sexton
Centres: Luther Burrell & Jonathan Joseph
Back 3: Anthony Watson, Tommy Bowe & Rob Kearney

 

[Every Time Ref]

Isn't all of Ireland the same place apart from Ulster?

Isn't Ireland a suburb of Boston, MA? I think Ben Affleck's from there

 

[goodNumber10]

I think it is, you are used to the ball coming over the over shoulder for a start, as well as tackling with the other shoulder. I think the players who can play both well have often played 7s, where they play both sides.

I agree. I think left wing is more akin to fullback than right wing.

Defending bigger areas, fielding longer kicks, more time on the ball then right wing as well. As a strike runner you're, hopefully, in more space, as a defender your more used to squaring off and using both shoulders.

They aren't the same positions, by any means, but it's easier to transition from 15 to 11 than 15 to 14 or 14 to 11.

 

[bw245]

My composite side with more detail to be found here: http://fourballsblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/ireland-and-england-composite-side.html

Front Row: Cian Healy, Dylan Hartley & Dan Cole
Second Row: Dave Attwood & Paul O'Connell
Back Row: James Haskell, Chris Robshaw & Billy Vunipola
Half Backs: Ben Youngs & Jonny Sexton
Centres: Luther Burrell & Jonathan Joseph
Back 3: Anthony Watson, Tommy Bowe & Rob Kearney

Really? Ben Youngs over Conor Murray? I am not even being biased here, Murray is clearly the better scrum half.

 

[LiRFCMatt]

Really? Ben Youngs over Conor Murray? I am not even being biased here, Murray is clearly the better scrum half.

I address that in the actual article, Youngs has impressed more than Murray, he has made it in to both of my team of the weeks so far and whilst Murray before the competition was a better scrum half in my eyes he hasn't impressed in this tournament so far.

 

[bw245]

I address that in the actual article, Youngs has impressed more than Murray, he has made it in to both of my team of the weeks so far and whilst Murray before the competition was a better scrum half in my eyes he hasn't impressed in this tournament so far.

Fair enough so

 

[Every Time Ref]

I don't think Murray's been setting the world alight, but to say he's dropped below Ben Youngs is a big call. Did you see some of his passing against Italy?!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I agree. I think left wing is more akin to fullback than right wing.

Defending bigger areas, fielding longer kicks, more time on the ball then right wing as well. As a strike runner you're, hopefully, in more space, as a defender your more used to squaring off and using both shoulders.

They aren't the same positions, by any means, but it's easier to transition from 15 to 11 than 15 to 14 or 14 to 11.

Playing the last few weeks (and excelling) at 13 will surely help him there?

 

[Every Time Ref]

I agree. I think left wing is more akin to fullback than right wing.

Defending bigger areas, fielding longer kicks, more time on the ball then right wing as well. As a strike runner you're, hopefully, in more space, as a defender your more used to squaring off and using both shoulders.

They aren't the same positions, by any means, but it's easier to transition from 15 to 11 than 15 to 14 or 14 to 11.

You really think left and right wing are so different? I can see that you get used to tackling more with one shoulder, stepping off one foot etc., and the ball is passed better right to left (which is why teams are more likely to pick a finisher on the left and a midfield crasher on the right) but I don't see why a left wing would defend more space or field longer kicks.

 

[lucky number 7]

The irony of this being your first post in ages is not lost on me, manlet.

Get with the program ****sticks I've resuscitated my laptop and I'm here to make posting a hell for you.

 

[bw245]

Let's put our patriotism aside for a minute, how do you all think this game is going to go?

I see England once again making a slow start and letting Ireland take the lead early on, but them coming back into it into the 2nd half. The game will have few tries and plenty of penalties, and will ultimately be down to which team is smarter.

Neither of these teams have been challenged much yet. The win over Wales was good, but I don't rate Wales like I rate England, and the surprise that you guys heated them was only a surprise because the Welsh media bigged Wales up. They were so poor in the second half that if Wales had have won they would in no way have deserved it.

Ireland have had two interesting matches. They've played to make the other team tired and run out of fuel. They've played to frustrate France and Italy, because they're easily frustrated, but England will be a different story. The players hate playing against Italy, and France nowadays too, as it is just so physical. England will be different, and hopefully they'll be a little more inspired.

 

[lucky number 7]

And to suggest Ireland could physically dismantle England? Hahahahahaha

I make no bones about it this is all we are capable of doing. The only thing winning games for us is our physicality in defence. Autumn internationals till the six nations all we have done is crush people running at us , kick our penalties and run laterally across the backline offering little threat.
The thing is we are pretty ****ing good at it. Beating South Africa and Australia and utterly dominating both physically in the opinions of most are good indicators of this.

Like the Irish at the moment the English are trying out new combinations in their backline and have a new(or old) whatever way you want to look at look to their pack. With this I reckon the Rigid and strict nature of the Irish play coupled with the intensity with which it is applied will most likely be too much.

But as I said at the end of my last post I could be completely wrong.

 

[LiRFCMatt]

I make no bones about it this is all we are capable of doing. The only thing winning games for us is our physicality in defence. Autumn internationals till the six nations all we have done is crush people running at us , kick our penalties and run laterally across the backline offering little threat.
The thing is we are pretty ****ing good at it. Beating South Africa and Australia and utterly dominating both physically in the opinions of most are good indicators of this.

Like the Irish at the moment the English are trying out new combinations in their backline and have a new(or old) whatever way you want to look at look to their pack. With this I reckon the Rigid and strict nature of the Irish play coupled with the intensity with which it is applied will most likely be too much.

But as I said at the end of my last post I could be completely wrong.

If you plan on winning just with physicality it will be a sad day for the Irish, as Wales found out as well.

 

[lucky number 7]

If you plan on winning just with physicality it will be a sad day for the Irish, as Wales found out as well.

Well I'm not actually coaching the squad so as for plans I can't comment all I can do is look at Irelands recent games. I admire your confidence in the face of such adversity.

When the Mighty Sean O'Brien rains fire down upon thee you will know the power of the Lord.