[2015 RWC] Quarter Final 4: Australia vs. Scotland (18/10/2015)

[Fard]

Not true. From the WR definitions: Foul play is anything a player does within the playing enclosure that is against the letter and spirit of the Laws of the Game. It includes obstruction, unfair play, repeated infringements, dangerous play and misconduct which is prejudicial to the Game.

Ergo, a deliberate offisde is foul play. That means it can be referred.

You have to be joking or a troll! It has been made quite clear that this could not be referred, get over it.

 

[Zed]

World Rugby tweeted: "TMO can't be used to determine if a penalty should or shouldn't be given. Only for offences is build-up to a try, foul play or scoring of a try."

 

[Fard]

I think when it comes to awarding a penalty that will determine the outcome of the game, it should be referred to the TMO even if the ref is 100% sure.

Rubbish! What happens if a poor call is made say 15 min to go but is the last score in the game. So this then becomes the game changer.
Wake up for gods sake. Think before you post.

 

[Zed]

Rubbish! What happens if a poor call is made say 15 min to go but is the last score in the game. So this then becomes the game changer.
Wake up for gods sake. Think before you post.

Relax. We're having a discussion about rugby.

 

[Fard]

Relax. We're having a discussion about rugby.

Yeh sorry mate, just having some problems with the rubbish that is been posted here today.

 

[Zed]

Yeh sorry mate, just having some problems with the rubbish that is been posted here today.

All good.

 

[spartan32]

So that was quite a game. Great intensity by Scotland and I am gutted for them. I have three simple questions about the refing of this match and would like to know your opinions and or facts on the matter.
1. Was the hit on Hogg in the 2nd half not pretty late and additionally a no arm shoulder charge with no attempt made by the Australian to pull out of the challenge making it a penalty?

2. The yellow card Scotland received, should it really have been given. Two hands went forward to make the catch and the replay clearly seemed to indicate that the blue player was making efforts to catch the ball rather than just pat it down, surely just a knock on?

3. The final penalty that lost the game really puzzles me. Yes the Scott was offside at the point of catching the ball, however the ball got to him via a knock on from another Scottish player, therefore surely the red should have been playing advantage for that offence and when there was none it should have been a scrum?

It would be a shame to think that such a good game came down to a bad decision by the ref, however the Scott's cannot entirely blame the ref for their woes. They lost line outs at critical times and failed to covert chances when offered that could have put them out of reach, but still a real shame.

 

[Fard]

1} play on
2} should have never been a yellow card
3} the ref got it wrong knock on Australia feed.

 

[Zed]

however the Scott's cannot entirely blame the ref for their woes. They lost line outs at critical times and failed to covert chances when offered that could have put them out of reach, but still a real shame.

I think that's the key point. Perhaps the penalty was legitimate and Scotland should have won, but they didn't play well, they scored off Australian mistakes and really wouldn't have been deserving winners. I remember a few years ago when we lost to the ABs and everyone was jumping up and down because of some poor referee decisions, but we played terribly. We didn't deserve to win. Same deal as SA vs Australia in 2011. SA were rubbish, they had some crap calls from the ref, but at the end of the day they had 80% of possession and were battering our line for eternity, but couldn't score. They didn't deserve to win. You can't play like sh_it and complain about bad reffing. You play sh_it and get some bad calls and lose as a result, you have to take it on the chin and not complain. The legitimacy of that final penalty is irrelevant.

 

[KeyboardWorrier]

I think that's the key point. Perhaps the penalty was legitimate and Scotland should have won, but they didn't play well, they scored off Australian mistakes and really wouldn't have been deserving winners. I remember a few years ago when we lost to the ABs and everyone was jumping up and down because of some poor referee decisions, but we played terribly. We didn't deserve to win. Same deal as SA vs Australia in 2011. SA were rubbish, they had some crap calls from the ref, but at the end of the day they had 80% of possession and were battering our line for eternity, but couldn't score. They didn't deserve to win. You can't play like $h!t and complain about bad reffing. You play ***** and get some bad calls and lose as a result, you have to take it on the chin and not complain.

Not sure that's fair. I mean, if Australia lost it'd be equally fair to say they lost due to making mistakes.

 

[Fard]

Not sure that's fair. I mean, if Australia lost it'd be equally fair to say they lost due to making mistakes.

Agreed for the first time with your post KeyboardWorrier.

 

[KeyboardWorrier]

Agreed for the first time with your post KeyboardWorrier.

Do you also agree that Chocolate is the best flavour in Neapolitan ice cream?

 

[Fard]

Yes!

 

[RJAH777]

Have been reading through the posts today after watching the game this morning.
I am no fan of Joubert but the criticism he is receiving is over the top.
He made a call that was bad, he also made other calls in the game that were bad. It happens in all games. Yes the Scots have the right to feel disappointed but some of the outrageous claims on this forum are way off the mark.

Joubert is well known to try and follow the letter of the law regardless of impact to the game. He put 2 Aussies in the bin against Wales knowing that could have been game over for us. But it was still correct call.

All he did with this offside penalty was referee correctly without fear or favor to the best of his ability. And no, he couldn't go to the tmo for the offside because he's not allowed to. Whether or not these rules should be changed is a separate debate and not within jouberts scope during a game.

People say he got the Maitland yellow wrong. But he also missed all the illegal scrumagging by Scotland. They should have been yellow carded but got penalties and points instead

 

[ncurd]

I think alot of Austrain posters are forgetting Aus had to be equally poor at times for Scotland to be winning at the point of the non-penalty.

Ireland were the worst side for only 30 mins of their match but they still lost.

I think it's completely moot point who was better side the simple fact is Scotland were winning and the wrong call was made in a RWC quarter final without anytime to fix t. I doubt any set of fans would be happy about that I'd expect exactly the same reaction from Australian, English, NZ, Welsh, Irish etc fans if it happened to them.

 

[WaterboySA]

Once again I must man up. I did not give Scotland a chance in this game. Not because I think they are bad, I just rated the Aussies that high. The Scots ran onto the pitch NOT to try and lose by not too many, but they ran out to win.And they almost did it. I've NEVER seen that team defend so hard. Both teams had to work hard for every inch.

The not so nice part. To the Scotland captain. I think I missed the part where you congratulated your opposition in winning the game. Instead you complained about a decision. A first for me.

 

[Zed]

Not sure that's fair. I mean, if Australia lost it'd be equally fair to say they lost due to making mistakes.

True. I guess I'm not one for blaming the ref when we lose. It happens to every team. Rugby is a very complex game with a lot going on and expecting a ref not to make mistakes is just not realistic. It's part and parcel of the game. And I'm not just saying this because I'm Australian, but the best team won and that's good for the World Cup. 1999 - I would have preferred for us to play the All Blacks and lose a tight, seat of your pants game as opposed to the dross that was the final.

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I think alot of Austrain posters are forgetting Aus had to be equally poor at times for Scotland to be winning at the point of the non-penalty.

Ireland were the worst side for only 30 mins of their match but they still lost.

I think it's completely moot point who was better side the simple fact is Scotland were winning and the wrong call was made in a RWC quarter final without anytime to fix t. I doubt any set of fans would be happy about that I'd expect exactly the same reaction from Australian, English, NZ, Welsh, Irish etc fans if it happened to them.

Yeah I agree. To be honest we are a very hot and cold side at the moment. Beating the All Blacks one week, getting done by 40 points the next. I just think it's w_@nk blaming the ref and I've said that before when we've lost and fellow strayans have moaned about the ref.

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[RJAH777]

If you blame the ref, you aren't good enough

 

[Scotsmanslanj]

The crap being spouted against Joubert is getting right on my t**s. His carding Maitland was wrong, he missed the late tackle on Hogg, and obviously got the last decision wrong, but none of that would have mattered if Scotland had been nailing their restarts and lineouts. I couldn't believe with the rain coming down, ball greasy and all you want to do is protect it, they go for a long ball in a lineout which has been malfunctioning the entire tournament. Throw it short, stick it up your jumper and hang the hell on.
Raging at the ref's mistakes, no doubt about it and I'm absolutely gutted. But that's rugby I'm afraid. The boys played better, more exciting rugby than I've seen in years and I'm damned proud of them, so congratulations to the Shackle Draggers. We'll get you next time.

 

[Zed]

The crap being spouted against Joubert is getting right on my t**s. His carding Maitland was wrong, he missed the late tackle on Hogg, and obviously got the last decision wrong, but none of that would have mattered if Scotland had been nailing their restarts and lineouts. I couldn't believe with the rain coming down, ball greasy and all you want to do is protect it, they go for a long ball in a lineout which has been malfunctioning the entire tournament. Throw it short, stick it up your jumper and hang the hell on.
Raging at the ref's mistakes, no doubt about it and I'm absolutely gutted. But that's rugby I'm afraid. The boys played better, more exciting rugby than I've seen in years and I'm damned proud of them, so congratulations to the Shackle Draggers. We'll get you next time.

Well said mate.