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[2014 Mid-Year Tests] New Zealand vs England (2nd Test)

Some of the in-depth analysis is very interesting. The bottom line is The AB's will win no matter what the others stats read.Read is a loss but Kaino McCaw and messam are a formidable loose trio.
It will be a test match in its intended meaning but the end result is inevitable barring the intervention of Force majeure!
 
Rugby365 are giving the game tot eh AB's by 15 points:

Prediction: England will be bouyed by last week's effort, but the All Blacks have had a week together and should bounce back well to win this by about 15 points.

http://www.rugby365.com/article/60573-preview-new-zealand-v-england

Head to head: Both fullbacks Ben Smith and Mike Brown can break a game wide open, but the biggest clash is likely to come out wide where Julian Savea will square up to Manu Tuilagi. It will be youth versus experience in the midfield with Billy Twelvetrees likely to have his hands full up against Ma'a Nonu and Luther Burrell facing Conrad Smith. In the formwards captains Richie McCaw and Chris Robshaw should have a good tussle at the breakdown whilst No.8s Ben Morgan and Jerome Kaino not about to take a backwards step for anyone. The battle at line-out time will be between Sam Whitelock and Geoff Parling and in the scrums David Wilson will have a tough jon against the experienced Tony Woodcock.
 
Most of it's pretty fair although I've seen no evidence that tells me Davy Wilson will struggle with woodcock . As a matter of fact I fully expect it to be the opposite way round tbh . Especially with Hartley off the bench as he is a great scrummaging hooker
 
Most of it's pretty fair although I've seen no evidence that tells me Davy Wilson will struggle with woodcock . As a matter of fact I fully expect it to be the opposite way round tbh . Especially with Hartley off the bench as he is a great scrummaging hooker

Wonder if he's learnt to catch in the week
 
Most of it's pretty fair although I've seen no evidence that tells me Davy Wilson will struggle with woodcock . As a matter of fact I fully expect it to be the opposite way round tbh . Especially with Hartley off the bench as he is a great scrummaging hooker

Woodcock rarely troubles opposition props but at the same time he rarely struggles either. Probably the most consistent loosehead in the past decade.
 
Woodcock rarely troubles opposition props but at the same time he rarely struggles either. Probably the most consistent loosehead in the past decade.

Yep, I agree with that. 4-5 years ago Woodcock could be very destructive, but he isn't a huge threat to opposition scrums anymore. He is still a reliable test LH though who seldom goes backwards....
 
Yep, I agree with that. 4-5 years ago Woodcock could be very destructive, but he isn't a huge threat to opposition scrums anymore. He is still a reliable test LH though who seldom goes backwards....

He got turned inside out by Wilson last week.

**oops sorry, double post**
 
I don't think anyone (except for some of the non journalists you name) has ever claimed New Zealanders believe the All Blacks have this mythical aura thing going on. Most informed rugby fans and pundits in the NH are well aware that the All Blacks can win a game by twenty points and still have fan criticising missed opportunities or poor passages of play. You guys have a very high standard and expect the best from players lucky enough to pull on the black jersey but that obviously doesn't equate to a blind belief in their invincibility.

I can tell you that while our rugby team is the best in the world (at the moment), our fans don't match that level of greatness. Some of the stuff I read from a few NZ fans on this forum makes me cringe with embarrassment.

Also, we can be bloody unreasonable and very difficult to please. If Hansen left out out the top 23 players, and selected the next 23, most of the rugby public would still expect nothing less than a win; that is the standard we set for our team. NZ fans might use "we were missing our top players" as an excuse, but they would not accept that as an excuse from AB coaches & management. In any case, I don't think we could do that at the moment, which is why, for all its success, I don't think this team is as great as the 2005 All Blacks. After they mullered the Lions at home, they went to the EOYT and put out two different teams in consecutive tests, hammering Wales 41-3 then Ireland 45-7 a week later.

However I think Henry hits the nail on the head when he says that because you have been so unbeatable for Northern Hemisphere teams for long periods of time, there is bound to be some level of apprehension added to the healthy respect that any rugby player is going to feel when lining up against a team as good as New Zealand. I don't think for a moment this means the players or coaches consider the All Blacks to have this 'mythical aura' (I'm going to start using inverted commas because it seems like such a silly thing to say) but surely you've got to agree that if you only beat a team once a decade they're going to start to seem a little bit more than 'just' a group of very good rugby players. We've finally produced a set of players that at least have a chance of beating you, or running you close, so I think its natural that some of the anxiety about whether it is possible to beat the All Blacks ebbs away.

Yep, that's fair comment. That is how you perceive us, but its not how we perceive ourselves.

Incidentally, English bookies will give you 6/1 on an England win at the moment. (17/2 here) now that is really worth a sly hundy!!

Of course this gets ruined by idiots writings badly written columns that then get taken seriously by idiots writing badly written columns on the other side of the world and what is a perfectly natural element of the sports gets turned into a debate over whether the All Blacks really are mythical beasts from the dawn of time. Which is why someone should really hire some people who can actually write to do some sporting journalism.

Yep, stupid is as stupid does, and stupid is something for which is is no cure!
 
Ah, i see. you can dish it but can't take it. :)

???? I have no idea what you are talking about. What was I dishing, and what can't I take?

I was just curious as to why you consider someone dropping a single ball needs to 'learn how to catch'?
 
it's called not being serious.

mate.

Ok then. I still have no idea what you are on about.....

Anyways... back to this weeks match (if anyone is still interested in it...). I'm hoping Tuipolotu gets to make his debut this week. He could add some real impact in the last 20 mins with his ball running (and offloading ability), just as Vito made did week. He needs to get a chance to prove himself, as I already think he is a better bench option than Luke Romano.
 
have to agree with what cooky posted about the ABs depth in 05, unbelievable
I reckon England have far better depth than nz, if the ABs lost there first choice front row to injury like what has happened to England I couldn't see them matching England in the set piece, England too me seem to have a lot of quality players to choose from, where as the ABs have a strong 15(that could be to do with all the quality headed overseas)
 
The ABs performed the Ka Mate Haka in the 1st test, which showed they did not hold last week's England side in high regard. I wonder if they will perform the Kapa O Pango Haka tomorrow, reserved for the teams they hold in high regard.
 

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