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[2014 EOYT] England v Australia

Cor! two decent results for a one dimensional France and @Big Ewis is in here dishing it out to England ;)

Sir Big Ewis is away atm and approaching the stratosphere, and has asked to deliver this message: nothing to do with how France are playing, this was a reference to the nuclear detonation that occurred out of nowhere in a previous thread recently, during which France hadn't started to look improved yet. A remark about England isn't necessarily linked to France and may just be a remark about England..., (at least it doesn't work that way in Sir Ewis' mind). He'd like to add though as a more direct response France weren't one-dimensional during their two wins; inconsistent, but not one-dimensional. Which happens to be the exact opposite of England now that he thinks about it...
He wants to end this message with...
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The scrum half problem for England annoys me more than any other; why do Care and Youngs both have to pendulum in and out of form; is it so much to ask to have two good scrummies at the same time? Youngs looked lively ans fresh off the bench against South Africa because as someone pointed out, he actually put players into space rather than a brick wall. But against Samoa he was back to his shovelling his passes to Ford who normally had to reach above his head for them. On that point, this is where Lancaster needs to do a Schmidt and tell him, I need you to do these 3 key things for me, passing presumably being one, and if you can't do these accurately you don't have a place in my squad.

Got to say for all the stick I've given Lancaster I applaud him for bringing back Wigglesworth; it's a recognition I think that game management and steady basics is as important as line breaks.
 
The scrum half problem for England annoys me more than any other; why do Care and Youngs both have to pendulum in and out of form; is it so much to ask to have two good scrummies at the same time? Youngs looked lively ans fresh off the bench against South Africa because as someone pointed out, he actually put players into space rather than a brick wall. But against Samoa he was back to his shovelling his passes to Ford who normally had to reach above his head for them. On that point, this is where Lancaster needs to do a Schmidt and tell him, I need you to do these 3 key things for me, passing presumably being one, and if you can't do these accurately you don't have a place in my squad.

Got to say for all the stick I've given Lancaster I applaud him for bringing back Wigglesworth; it's a recognition I think that game management and steady basics is as important as line breaks.
I'd settle for one good scrum half tbh! Even in the best of times, both players have glaring weaknesses.

What options do we have in the next generation? Am I right in thinking it's Robson, Spencer, Cook, Fowles and Braley? Doesn't help that two of those are stuck behind Laidlaw!
 
Who's Braley...?
Of those I think Cook looks the best - Robson has been a shadow of his former self, this season, and that's behind a far better pack.
Cook was excellent for Welsh last year, and has really kicked on this.



But yes, we've had real issues at 9 for....a long old time. Best part of 10 years, really.
 
Braley couldn't get himself into the starting berth for the u20s at the JWC, rightly so IMO - he wasn't very impressive and Taylor (?... the Loughborough/Sarries kid) was much better.

Cook looked like he was going to be one of those guys that was standout at u20 but then ended up playing Nat1 or Chmpionship rugby.
Thankfully he's stepped up massively this season, it helps that he fits in very well with how Bath like to play.

Cook and Robson are the two best prospects IMO. Cook is just relentless in the way he is constantly trying to push the pace of the game.
I think Robson is probably a bit more well rounded - a bit more of a French style general.
 
Braley couldn't get himself into the starting berth for the u20s at the JWC, rightly so IMO - he wasn't very impressive and Taylor (?... the Loughborough/Sarries kid) was much better.
But if you go back slightly earlier, he was good enough to be the U20s captain up until the JWC. So the JWC may have been a blip for him, not entirely sure yet.

I seem to remember that Robson was behind Spencer throughout the U20s though, but has been the more impressive of the two since.

I have enjoyed watching Braley in his cameos for Glos so far.
 
Shame Sam Harrison keeps getting injured brilliant 9 when fit only 24 (Mind you BY is only 24) he is a brilliant player.
 
Braley couldn't get himself into the starting berth for the u20s at the JWC, rightly so IMO - he wasn't very impressive and Taylor (?... the Loughborough/Sarries kid) was much better.

Cook looked like he was going to be one of those guys that was standout at u20 but then ended up playing Nat1 or Chmpionship rugby.
Thankfully he's stepped up massively this season, it helps that he fits in very well with how Bath like to play.

Cook and Robson are the two best prospects IMO. Cook is just relentless in the way he is constantly trying to push the pace of the game.
I think Robson is probably a bit more well rounded - a bit more of a French style general.

Cook doesn't get as much game time as he might though because he's being rotated with Micky Young, who doesn't ever look half the player Cook is to me. Stringer's getting less game time this season, I guess he must be getting old, but I think Cook and Stringer sharing the duties, old head and young prospect would make much more sense than keeping Young around who to me just doesn't look very rugby clever.

If Ford cements his England place, then that will count in Cook's favour too
 
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Hooper is not a fetcher, like Hodgson, Pockock and Smith etc... he is a ball carrier and tackler. McmMahon is a hybrid player like Wood Robshaw but only three caps deep. McCalman is the trump card for them though, he is a good defender and superb in the loose.

That's true, and certainly that's what the selectors have gone for. On turnovers alone Liam Gill would coast into the national side, but having watched Hooper in Super (haha) this year he is definitely a much more rounded player. Seems tough when you put it like that. Pocock and Smith are gigantic benchmarks for the young Hooper to live up to. Especially Pocock before all the injuries, he was just a genetic freak. And Smith one of the greatest flankers of all time imo.

Is anyone else thinking the Aussie team looks a bit small in size? If England get their defence up and working then I dunno how that will turn out for Aus. You're gonna have Phipps, Foley and Horne milling around in the backline? Dunno about that. Cooper, Folaou and Speight the danger men are still there. I'm sure someone will mention with regards to size that Cruden managed a try against England a few weeks back, although that was a team effort to rumble up into that half of the field, not really a ripper-line break for Cruden.

Even in the forwards, I question just how physical or dominant Australia can be. Guys like Hooper, Slipper and Faingaa aren't necessarily small for their position but they are more noted for their athleticism. A more hard nosed team that could handle the tight stuff in desperate times might have ideally included Moore and Horwell? But injuries are unavoidable. I guess we'll see. Not all of the players within the team have the problem I'm talking about, but enough of them do. I call it a lack of mongrel. On paper there just isn't anyone who you would truly fear in that forward pack in a physical sense imo. And no set-piece masters. I think it's one of the major problems for Australian rugby, and actually it has been for a long time, even in the Larkham/Gregan days (although not to this extent). Pace, turnovers, athletism, the loose trio, that's never really been a problem for Aus rugby. It's the set piece dominance and physicality in general. There is no Owen Franks, Brad Thorn, or one of those South African behemoths for them. And there needs to be.

England have had quite a challenging run, facing off against SA and the ABs in a lot of matches this year. But even they've got a few bruisers. In their team. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd see a mighty rolling maul from Aus. Even Ireland are doing these things well, and look at their results as of late. Until that changes for Aus, the best they will do is 3rd best, and that's assuming they play to their traditional strengths. If they can't even do that then things really go belly up.
 
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The England forward-pack will muscle up against the Aussie forward-pack, as the Aussie forward-pack is pretty average for a top-tier nation rugby team. England by 7, Robshaw or Hooper MOTM.
If England lose, well they'll be hearing whining for the British media.
 
The England forward-pack will muscle up against the Aussie forward-pack, as the Aussie forward-pack is pretty average for a top-tier nation rugby team. England by 7, Robshaw or Hooper MOTM.
If England lose, well they'll be hearing whining for the British media.

Anything less than a conclusive victory on the field as well as on the scoreboard will be disastrous for an England side that has been together for a month playing a comparatively weak (and tired) Aussie team!
 
Not sure about us having the players especially at centre. But I still think will wak the Aussies at the scrum even without vunipola, Cole and Corbisiero.
 
Not having Vunipola js a blessing, he's **** in the scrum.

I agree as never got carried away with the hype about him! He was pretty good for a while but was picked more on reputation for too long!!
 
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