[2013 TRC] New Zealand vs South Africa in Auckland (14/09/2013)

[Sker]

I assume it was the commentator, not the ref, who mentioned Steyn's tackling habits.
I agree that Steyn can't win a game on his own, but the same can be said of almost any flyhalf - their performance tend to reflect how well other players are doing.

Woops my bad, ref on the brain

 

[cityrunner]

SA are particularly weak at 9 and 10, especially in defence. Steyn is a robotic 10, who gives away far too much possession through high kicks (this is a coaching problem for SA). His distribution is mechanical, and his defence is weak. Ruan Pienaar is generally weak in defence, and especially poor today. SA really need to work on the players in these positions.

Brian Habana drops his brain in these fast games. His positional movement during kick-off and under high kicking is thoughtless, and he runs back into concentrated spaces far too often, rather than look for open space to exploit his speed and momentum. Kirchner blows hot and cold, and is not very consistent in his decision-making ability to utilise the space in front of him.

 

[smartcooky]

Poite gave a penalty to the ABs in the SA 22 during a ruck, when four SA players were STATIONARY on either side of the ruck, and the scrumhalf cleared with a box-kick. This is a mis-interpretation of the blocking law which specifies deliberate movement on the part of the side in possession to block defender from reaching ball-player and/or ball.

The "Blocking Law" aye?

I've been involved in refereeing for over 35 years and I have never heard of that one. Sounds like an NFL Rule to me

The Offside at the Ruck law says nothing about stationary players not being liable to be penalised.

[TEXTAREA]16.5 OFFSIDE AT THE RUCK
(b) Players must either join a ruck, or retire behind the offside line immediately. If a player
loiters at the side of a ruck, the player is offside.
Sanction: Penalty kick[/TEXTAREA]

Perhaps your are confusing this with Law 11, Offside in General Play, which says...

[TEXTAREA]11.1 OFFSIDE IN GENERAL PLAY
(a) A player who is in an offside position is liable to sanction only if the player does one of three
things:
• Interferes with play or,
• Moves forward, towards the ball or
• Fails to comply with the 10-Metre Law (Law 11.4).
A player who is in an offside position is not automatically penalised.
A player who receives an unintentional throw forward is not offside.
A player can be offside in the in-goal.[/TEXTAREA]

However, that is not what the players were penalised for. They were penalised for Obstruction

[TEXTAREA]LAW 10.1 OBSTRUCTION
(c) Blocking the tackler. A player must not intentionally move or stand in a position that prevents an opponent from tackling a ball carrier.
Sanction: Penalty kick

(d) Blocking the ball. A player must not intentionally move or stand in a position that prevents an opponent from playing the ball.
Sanction: Penalty kick[/TEXTAREA]

Note that the Law SPECIFICALLY says that STATIONARY players can be penalised for Obstruction

Referee gave ABs penalties for SA pushing early into the scrum, and then penalised SA for not "taking the hit" when the ABs pushed early. Inconsistent application of the new scrum laws against the old scrum laws.

Nice try but not quite.

The second PK was against the Springbok tight-head prop for pulling his opponent...

[TEXTAREA]LAW 20.8 FRONT-ROW PLAYERS
(g) Twisting, dipping or collapsing. Front row players must not twist or lower their bodies, or
pull opponents, or do anything that is likely to collapse the scrum, either when the ball is
being thrown in or afterwards.
Sanction: Penalty kick[/TEXTAREA]

Poite even gave the secondary signal for that.

 

[Agphobia]

Eden Park 14 September 2013 - Springboks VS All Blacks

The contest at Eden Park 14 September 2013
SA 14 players VS NZ 16 players

New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tony Woodcock, Romain Poite(ref)
Bench: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Steven Luatua, 20 Matt Todd, 21 Tawera Kerr Barlow, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Charles Piutau

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Willie le Roux, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Bench: 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Gurthrö Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandré Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

 

[Patchey]

Obvious troll is...heck I can't be bothered to finish.

 

[SelimNiai]

The contest at Eden Park 14 September 2013
SA 14 players VS NZ 16 players

New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tony Woodcock, Romain Poite(ref)
Bench: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Steven Luatua, 20 Matt Todd, 21 Tawera Kerr Barlow, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Charles Piutau

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Willie le Roux, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Bench: 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Gurthrö Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandré Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

Can't believe I'm even humoring the stupidity and bitterness of this post but;

IF Poite was soooo biased, explain why he binned 2 NZ players within a few minutes of each other which actually gave SA a numerical advantage, which they scored a try from.

 

[Sker]

The contest at Eden Park 14 September 2013
SA 14 players VS NZ 16 players

New Zealand: 15 Israel Dagg, 14 Ben Smith, 13 Conrad Smith, 12 Ma'a Nonu, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Dan Carter, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Liam Messam, 5 Sam Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Tony Woodcock, Romain Poite(ref)
Bench: 16 Keven Mealamu, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Steven Luatua, 20 Matt Todd, 21 Tawera Kerr Barlow, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Charles Piutau

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Willie le Roux, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Bench: 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Gurthrö Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandré Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

Dude please go DIAF. I know you are on your period but kindly f...off. You are irritating the living **** out of me and I'm a die-hard Bokke supporter.

 

[Tony Manx]

Can't believe I'm even humoring the stupidity and bitterness of this post but;

IF Poite was soooo biased, explain why he binned 2 NZ players within a few minutes of each other which actually game SA a numerical advantage, which they scored a try from.

I have given up on this ****........7 posts and all stupid!

 

[TRF_heineken]

THIS: It was just a novice mistake by BDP imo and id be suprised if this is the first time he's done something that stupid. He's a great player but not a smart one thats why Smit kept him out of the team for so long....

Novice Mistake? No.

If I had the energy to go and get some archived videos about Bismarck, you'd see that that's the way he always runs with the ball and tries to do a hand-off.

He uses his rockhard forearm to hand-off. Unfortunately his elbow caught Messam's adam's apple. To me it's also a bit of a dubious call as he is the Ball Carrier, and only has one arm available to protect himself with. Whereas Messam came into the tackle upright, and his throat connected BDP's elbow. I can't see anything malicious in that. It was dangerous yes, but Messam as the defending player could've done better at trying to tackle BDP. That incident to me was more unfortunate than anything else.

 

[Agphobia]

If you are South African boet you've forgotten whose side your on. I like a good game and we were not disappointed but you are either blind or not actually a die-hard book fan. Fok jou!

 

[austingtir]

Smartcooky is right as usual. SA just needs to smarten up. Whenever they run blockers for their halfbacks box kick it just looks really wrong like they are going out of their way to look like a bunch of muppets, ala the BULLS with their centipede move last year. When the AB's do it it "looks" legit even though it actually isnt.

 

[TRF_heineken]

If you are South African boet you've forgotten whose side your on. I like a good game and we were not disappointed but you are either blind or not actually a die-hard book fan. Fok jou!

Yous kant evin spells BOK correctly!!!

**** off you arrogant ****!!

Please join Sifplay in the f-off and die area!!

Mods, please ban this mother****er!

 

[Tony Manx]

Novice Mistake? No.

If I had the energy to go and get some archived videos about Bismarck, you'd see that that's the way he always runs with the ball and tries to do a hand-off..

Agreed!

He uses his rockhard forearm to hand-off.

And that is legal how?

Unfortunately his elbow caught Messam's adam's apple.

Bit like saying BOD dived when tackled by Mealamu and Umaga

 

[austingtir]

Novice Mistake? No.

If I had the energy to go and get some archived videos about Bismarck, you'd see that that's the way he always runs with the ball and tries to do a hand-off.

He uses his rockhard forearm to hand-off. Unfortunately his elbow caught Messam's adam's apple. To me it's also a bit of a dubious call as he is the Ball Carrier, and only has one arm available to protect himself with. Whereas Messam came into the tackle upright, and his throat connected BDP's elbow. I can't see anything malicious in that. It was dangerous yes, but Messam as the defending player could've done better at trying to tackle BDP. That incident to me was more unfortunate than anything else.

Bullcrap i had a SA dean when i was in college. He told me straight up running elbow forward and running it into the bridge of the nose of defending players is standard practice in SA club rugby or was 40+years ago.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Agreed!



And that is legal how?



Bit like saying BOD dived when tackled by Mealamu and Umaga

I'm not saying it's legal or illegal, Victor Matfield and Pierre Spies was never penalised doing that, so why is Bismarck's cpntinuous use of this NOW all of a sudden deemed as wrong??

 

[Sker]

If you are South African boet you've forgotten whose side your on. I like a good game and we were not disappointed but you are either blind or not actually a die-hard book fan. Fok jou!

Jys te oulik, nou fokof

 

[SelimNiai]

If you are South African boet you've forgotten whose side your on. I like a good game and we were not disappointed but you are either blind or not actually a die-hard book fan. Fok jou!

I'm a die hard book fan. I have a very full Kindle and 2 whole shelves of novels

 

[Agphobia]

Dude please go DIAF. I know you are on your period but kindly f...off. You are irritating the living **** out of me and I'm a die-hard Bokke supporter.

The boks had the measure of the all blacks until the professional era. And the boks individual players have been good since. but the difference is coaching and politics since then plus lack of comraderie amongst fellow SA countrymen. Meyer turning this around. Take a chill pill boet

 

[Tony Manx]

The boks had the measure of the all blacks until the professional era. And the boks individual players have been good since. but the difference is coaching and politics since then plus lack of comraderie amongst fellow SA countrymen. Meyer turning this around. Take a chill pill boet

Bloody hell......a responsible and insightful post?

 

[Sker]

The bipolar is strong in this one...