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2013 British and Irish Lions

Sackey, Balshaw, Vainikolo, perhaps my favourite English back three.
Monye, Cueto, Banahan is close.
 
1. Andrew Sheridan (Toulon)
2. Dennis Fogarty (Aurillac)
3. Euan Murray (Agen)
4. Luke Charteris (Perpignan)
5. Nathan Hines (Clermont)
6. Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan)
7. Steffon Armitage (Toulon)
8. Johnnie Beatie (Montpellier)
9. Mike Blair (Brive)
10. Johnny Wilkinson (Toulon)
11. Max Evans (Castres)
12. Olly Barkley (Racing Metro)
13. James Hook (Perpignan)
14. Delon Armitage (Toulon)
15. Lee Byrne (Clermont)

16. Gethin Jenkins (Toulon)
17.
18. Ben Broster (Biarritz)
19. Simon Shaw (Toulon)
20. Luke Narraway (Perpignan)
21. Mike Phillips (Bayonne)
22. Jonny Sexton (Racing Metro)
23. Ian Balshaw (Biarritz)

Paul Sackey, Jamie Noon, Aled Brew, Nick Kennedy and Magnus Lund are now out of the match day 22... Retained in the squad but awaiting injury for any test call ups. Scott Murray as inspirational POC style touring member.

If we're including players that have had stints in France I'm sure there are others that could be included... Might finally find a Hooker <_<

I spent far, far too much time finding some of those
 
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Not sure how any of these are doing, but here are some other players that haven't been mentioned to consider from the massive base of British players playing in France:

Jamie Robinson (Agen)

That is all.
 
Hew Bennet is contracted to Lyon in the pro D2. He got injured before playing and is still injured, but maybe we can count him?
 
Came across a bit harsh in my argument about warbuton last night. I was off my head. Take no heed.

That said I still agree with the points I made. The reason someone will be banned for longer for an outrageous spear tackle is that they are potentially fatal. A stamp to the ankle or leg happens near enough every game with the worst outcome being a break, not to trivialise it however its still a terrible injury , but no matter what way you paint it a stamp will never harbour the same potential to cause harm that a spear tackle can
 
lucky number 7 said:
Came across a bit harsh in my argument about warbuton last night. I was off my head. Take no heed.

That said I still agree with the points I made. The reason someone will be banned for longer for an outrageous spear tackle is that they are potentially fatal. A stamp to the ankle or leg happens near enough every game with the worst outcome being a break, not to trivialise it however its still a terrible injury , but no matter what way you paint it a stamp will never harbour the same potential to cause harm that a spear tackle can
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A proper spear tackle maybe, i.e. twisting and drilling him into the ground with the tacklers full weight behind it, but don't automatically think that what Warburton did is anywhere near as dangerous just because the IRB has decided not to differentiate.

What Warburton did isn't half as dangerous as taking the support lifters out in a lineout, as the jumper often ends up in the same position as a tip tackle, but from an extra 6+ft in the air. However this isn't the IRB's pet dislike at the moment, so offenders usually escape with a mere penalty against them.

Warburton's tip tackle was reckless, but something which is going to happen from time to time when you have a small winger run into a backrower who is set low ready to drive upwards. Nothing wrong with Warburton's intentions, just mistimed and panicked half way through. Very difficult to rescue the incident once the attackers weight has passed the horizontal. I accept the red-card, as I'm sure Warburton does, but there was no malicious intent.
 
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dullonien said:
A proper spear tackle maybe, i.e. twisting and drilling him into the ground with the tacklers full weight behind it, but don't automatically think that what Warburton did is anywhere near as dangerous just because the IRB has decided not to differentiate.

What Warburton did isn't half as dangerous as taking the support lifters out in a lineout, as the jumper often ends up in the same position as a tip tackle, but from an extra 6+ft in the air. However this isn't the IRB's pet dislike at the moment, so offenders usually escape with a mere penalty against them.

Warburton's tip tackle was reckless, but something which is going to happen from time to time when you have a small winger run into a backrower who is set low ready to drive upwards. Nothing wrong with Warburton's intentions, just mistimed and panicked half way through. Very difficult to rescue the incident once the attackers weight has passed the horizontal. I accept the red-card, as I'm sure Warburton does, but there was no malicious intent.
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Completely agree Dullonien, Warburton had been tackling with force all tournament up until that moment, it's just that Clerc is so small and much less bulky. It was a genuine mistake, and if the same tackle had gone in on Dusatoir or someone bigger none of the stuff that followed would have happened.
 
The refs should be given some leeway as to how they interpret whether or not any maliciousness was involved in the spear tackle. Warburton's tackle was obviously lacking in malice, it was just unfortunate and it should have been a penalty. I had some spanner jump into the tackle once in a game. He went straight over my shoulder, head first into the ground. I was sin binned and the ref apologised to me, but said he had no choice.
 
Zed said:
The refs should be given some leeway as to how they interpret whether or not any maliciousness was involved in the spear tackle. Warburton's tackle was obviously lacking in malice, it was just unfortunate and it should have been a penalty. I had some spanner jump into the tackle once in a game. He went straight over my shoulder, head first into the ground. I was sin binned and the ref apologised to me, but said he had no choice.
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Apart from the fact that there was no attempt by Warburton to drive Clerc back, he planted his feet took Clerc way beyond the parallel and dropped him, a definite red card, even though there may have been no malice in it, the intent to hurt the opponent in the tackle was and a red card and a ban were deserved, as LN7 put it Clerc could have died or had a career ending or paralyzing injury.
 
cmac95 said:
Apart from the fact that there was no attempt by Warburton to drive Clerc back, he planted his feet took Clerc way beyond the parallel and dropped him, a definite red card, even though there may have been no malice in it, the intent to hurt the opponent in the tackle was and a red card and a ban were deserved, as LN7 put it Clerc could have died or had a career ending or paralyzing injury.
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Ah possibly. I'll take another look at the tackle on youtube. Been a few years since I saw it.
 
How can you intend to injure without any malice? That is literally the definition of malice.

I don't know how you could implement the subjectivity, because it is so subjective.
But punishing people who tackle with good intentions does not reduce the likelihood of them doing it again if they didn't mean to do it in the first place.
 
Tallshort said:
Anyway.....who would be your Lions captain
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Well, as I'd like to see a BOD and Tuilagi 12/13 partnership, I would love to see BOD get the captaincy. He has proven how great he is as a leader and I think he would be inspiring to the younger players in the team. He always sets a great example too. It would be a fantastic way for him to end his international career as well.
 
ratsapprentice said:
How can you intend to injure without any malice? That is literally the definition of malice.

I don't know how you could implement the subjectivity, because it is so subjective.
But punishing people who tackle with good intentions does not reduce the likelihood of them doing it again if they didn't mean to do it in the first place.
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Courtney Lawes does it all the time, he hits players to make them feel it but I doubt he wants to injure them....
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Well, as I'd like to see a BOD and Tuilagi 12/13 partnership, I would love to see BOD get the captaincy. He has proven how great he is as a leader and I think he would be inspiring to the younger players in the team. He always sets a great example too. It would be a fantastic way for him to end his international career as well.
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This.
 
You're saying Warburton indented to injure but possibly without malice, that would be a contradiction.

Unless you are saying that wanting to cause someone pain without injury is a red card offence...?
 

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