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2013 British and Irish Lions

Since I was asked, my Lions team/squad...
15. Halfpenny 14. Hogg 13. O'Driscoll 12. Roberts 11. North 10. Sexton 9. Youngs; 1. Healy 2. Best 3. Jones 4. Launchbury 5. Parling 6. Ferris 7. Tipuric 8. Beattie;

16. Hibbard 17. Grant 18. Cole 19. Evans 20. O'Brien 21. Care 22. Farrell 23. Foden

Other tourists: Hartley, James, Lawes, Hines, Robshaw, Rennie, Faletau, Laidlaw, Biggar, Tuilagi, Twelvetrees, Marshall, Visser, Gilroy, May
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Not a bad team there, there are some i don't agree with but i guess everyone thinks differently. I'd have thought Cole was a dead cert for the Tight head role. After watching all the Wales games so far i think Jones hasn't been that good at all. Other than that i do agree that Best and Healy are above the rest.

It's nice to have an all english Lock paring and it could end up like that but i'd love to see Hines start with Lauchberry on the bench. I think Hines just offers that bit more for the first 60, but woulndn't mind either player.

Back row is probably the most debated area and i think it's basically down to personal choice. I do think though that Robshaw is the best 7 at the moment (not in the world, jsut for the lions). He does everything you want an openside to do and also does alot more. I just can't see Tipuric training better than robshaw let alone playing better than him.
I agree with Beattie at the moment but it will be interesting to see if he keeps his form up, Heaslip will be waiting in the winds i think.
As for Ferris he is a great player and if he played in the 6 nations would be my starting 6 BUT if he doesn't i'd have Wood in there. His stats are amazing and he gets through so much work. He is agressive and is everywhere. It would have been nice to see them go head to head.

The entire backs offer less choice i think, Sexon yes (who else really) and youngs (i hate his kicking!). But what if Sexton has a long term injury? Farrell to start and ..... on the bench?

Centres i'd have capitan O'Driscoll at 13 but 12 is a problem. I havent see Roberts do anything worth being an interational but then who else has put their hands up? If 12 trees improves he could get a shout or Matt Scott of scotland? Does Davies for Wales play club rugby at 12????


so wings and FB is a strange one, right now i'd go 11. 1/2penny 14........ 15. Hogg, i don't really think North is as good as people make out, nor to i think Ahston is actually that good. I can't remember which side Zebo plays but he could be a surprise option? I actually think Brown has done a good job although i'd never pick him as a lions player?

Good to hear your thoughts and the only time i thought you were talking utter sh!te was when you mentioned Haskell but glad you were joking. Nice to ehar everyones thoughts!

Any idea on which non capped player might tour? Theres always one.
 
Since I was asked, my Lions team/squad...

Front row

I'll start by pencilling in Rory Best, as far as I can tell there's clear daylight between him and the other hookers at present, which means I'd pick my props to fit in with him. As he's a fair groundhog, I feel I can dispense with Dan Cole's skills there in the starting team and would plump for Adam Jones. Slightly iffy about that, as Jones isn't in great form, but then neither's Cole. With Best and Jones picked I want my loosehead to offer some big carries, athleticism and smashmouth defending - so I'd pick Cian Healy, who's also been in excellent scrummaging form. Cole hits the bench if Jones starts. I'm not sure at hooker, I don't pay enough attention to the Welsh hookers, the Scots ones are crap, and Hartley's benching behind Youngs - a better rugby player, but worse at the hooker basics. I think I'd give it to Hibbard, with Hartley also in the squad. Ryan Grant would be my bench loosehead, I like what he's doing and I like his work rate. Assuming we're going with only 5 props, like last time, the extra guy has to be capable of playing both sides - can't think of a better man for that than Paul James.

Second row

Again, Geoff Parling is my front runner here - not only is he doing really well in the lineout, but his ball carrying's been excellent, and he's got a fantastic work rate. So I'd put him at 5 and look for a big athletic guy who can really disrupt people in the tackle for 4. I'd go for Launchbury here - I feel mildly parochial, but Davies is out injured, McCarthy detracts too much from the lineout... the only real competition he has I think is Lawes, or maybe Hines but I don't think he's got the puff for 80 minutes of that. I would take both of those in my touring party, but stick Ian Evans on the bench; I want a second lineout captain there just in case, and I think he can do that. Hard lines on Ryan, but I think he's playing a little within himself, and AW Jones who could force his way into my plans if he returns well from injury. Probably in place of Hines. The omission of Gray is completely intentional and will remain so until he hits some rucks.

Back row

Uhm... well, Ferris is meant to be back in rugby next week, heard that before but will take it at face value, and if he's fit, he's in my side. Australia is just the ideal place for an old school openside, the kind of guy with pace and ball skills, so I'd plump for Tipuric. And at 8, Johnnie Beattie looks in fine form, and offers a good balance as an 8 - does a defensive job, good carrier, good linking. And given there's very little versatility in that back-row, whoever sits on the bench has to be able to do a job at all 3, so it will be James Haskell...

Ok, I kid, I kid. O'Brien. Robshaw or Faletau could do it, but Faletau doesn't do enough extra-versatility stuff to be ahead of O'Brien, and I think O'Brien offers more punch from the bench. Robshaw and Faletau completes my set of touring 6s and 8s which means I need one more 7 and I'm going to hope Rennie recovers in time, much as I'd love to be incredibly biased and pick Chris Henry.

Half-backs

Sexton will be at 10, as Farrell still hasn't convinced me he's enough of a creative player. Farrell to bench though. My final fly-half would be... uhm... Biggar at the moment I guess, although Ruaridh Jackson is close. I want to say Freddie Burns, but his injury means I can't. If Kidney does the decent thing and shoots Rogina, and Madigan or Paddy Jackson do the business, I'd quite possibly say those as well. At scrum-half, I don't have a clue if I'm honest, all the players have flaws including violent swings in form. I'm going to say Youngs, as he's currently in form and has the highest ceiling of the lot imo, but that could very easily be reversed. I'd have Care on the bench, as it's a one-two that works well and Care is a very good player in his own right. My third scrum-half would be Laidlaw - I know there won't be a Phillips-less tour, but I wouldn't take him, and Laidlaw's impressed me. Plus, fourth fly-half if needed for midweek games.

Centres

O'Driscoll is my captain. The 13 shirt is his. He's still got it, there will be no more respected player, and there will be no more driven man. Which means, in fairness, everyone else should be able to play 12 to some extent to have some sort of shot at the tour jersey. I'm going to take two bludgeons - Roberts and Tuilagi - and two distributors - Twelvetrees and Luke Marshall. The last probably has a wee bit of bias about it, but it's him or Matt Scott really for that sort of player, and I think Marshall is that bit more physical. I'd probably go with one of the bludgeons at 12; Farrell (supposedly) offers the playmaking 12 option if needs be. And Roberts is the more natural 12, so barring a breakthrough for Tuilagi it would be Roberts and BOD partying like it's 2009.

Back three

I'm developing something of a man crush on Halfpenny; in particular, the suicidal way he launches into those last man tackles. So I'm going to stick him at 15. I think North is a star to back, his combined physicality and agility offer something different, so onto a wing with him. And, given the aussies do like a kick, I'm going to go with the fashionable two full-back gambit; Hogg or Foden. At the moment I'd say Hogg, but I'd take Foden anyway on the tour. Ideally the back three sub could also play 13, but I'm struggling for names and ideas there; Hogg can a bit I think, so if I take a back-three sub who can play full-back a bit as full-insurance. I'd say Maitland, but am led to doubt his temprament, I'd say Zebo but he injured himself at the wrong moment, so did Bowe... uhm... ah sod it, Foden on the bench. Remaining three wings, Visser attacks well and would offer an alternative big quick man option, Gilroy's always looked good stepping up a level, his defence has been solid and his jinking offers another option and... I'm struggling, I don't think much of our wings, so I'm going to take Jonny May as a bolter on sheer "He'll entertain grounds". Sue me. I'd really love for Tommy Bowe to get fit, he'd be straight in, I'd love to see Walker get a shot for Wales... oh yeah, no Kearney, there's been too many defensive errors for me.

Anyway, to sum up - my team

15. Halfpenny 14. Hogg 13. O'Driscoll 12. Roberts 11. North 10. Sexton 9. Youngs; 1. Healy 2. Best 3. Jones 4. Launchbury 5. Parling 6. Ferris 7. Tipuric 8. Beattie;

16. Hibbard 17. Grant 18. Cole 19. Evans 20. O'Brien 21. Care 22. Farrell 23. Foden

Other tourists: Hartley, James, Lawes, Hines, Robshaw, Rennie, Faletau, Laidlaw, Biggar, Tuilagi, Twelvetrees, Marshall, Visser, Gilroy, May

Just realised a) I'm one over on backs compared to the last party, so probaby cut Biggar and b) If we are doing 8 man benches, I imagine we'll take more than 5 props. Uhm. Ross and Jenkins/Marler, with the latter depending on release issues. May to be replaced by any wing that can get fit, stay fit and demonstrate quality in time. 12 the position in the test team I am least sure about. Kearney and Tom Wood would probably be the unluckiest players in my Lions selection.

At last an unbiased and relatively sensible team.

I am with you on halfpenny too, I am not gay or owt, but if I was then he would be my man!

Now lets get silyl again, what about Priestland if fit? ha ha ha sorry I couldn't resist!
 
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Anyway, to sum up - my team

15. Halfpenny 14. Hogg 13. O'Driscoll 12. Roberts 11. North 10. Sexton 9. Youngs; 1. Healy 2. Best 3. Jones 4. Launchbury 5. Parling 6. Ferris 7. Tipuric 8. Beattie;

16. Hibbard 17. Grant 18. Cole 19. Evans 20. O'Brien 21. Care 22. Farrell 23. Foden

Other tourists: Hartley, James, Lawes, Hines, Robshaw, Rennie, Faletau, Laidlaw, Biggar, Tuilagi, Twelvetrees, Marshall, Visser, Gilroy, May

Just realised a) I'm one over on backs compared to the last party, so probaby cut Biggar and b) If we are doing 8 man benches, I imagine we'll take more than 5 props. Uhm. Ross and Jenkins/Marler, with the latter depending on release issues. May to be replaced by any wing that can get fit, stay fit and demonstrate quality in time. 12 the position in the test team I am least sure about. Kearney and Tom Wood would probably be the unluckiest players in my Lions selection.

Very good team, massive fan of Halfshilling think along with Best, Healy,Bod and Sexton he is a must for the test team. The only one person I would include that you havnt is Ryan Jones, dont know who to swap him with but the guy is a real test animal and IMO someone with the right minerals to go on a Lion tour.
 
Are people starting to want BOD to start now? Before the 6N it seemed only the Irish lads wanted him on, before it was Tuilagi / Davies or Roberts / Davies.
 
Davies? Hahaha.
People talk about Tuilagi having no passing game, but Davies is summink else.
If BOD can maintain form and avoid injury then he's (still) head and shoulders above the rest. Not sure about 12 - He worked well with Roberts in '09, but Roberts was playing far better in '09 than he has since. But then again, there's not a massive amount of options at 12. Barritt? Unlikely to tour, to be honest, but I think him and BOD would work well together - probably be the best defensive midfield in the world :lol:
 
If you're picking the team now I think it'd be criminal not to start Tuilagi AND BOD. So 1 of them 12, 1 of them 13. Take your pick. Davies and Roberts have obviously not overly impressed so far in the 6 nations.
 
Is Odriscoll really the best outside centre the home nations can put forward?
AAC would run rings around him.

I'll be in the minority, but I'd prefer Hartley over Best. Hartley is a knob and I can't stand him, but he'd get right stuck into the Wallabies.
 
Is Odriscoll really the best outside centre the home nations can put forward?
AAC would run rings around him.

I'll be in the minority, but I'd prefer Hartley over Best. Hartley is a knob and I can't stand him, but he'd get right stuck into the Wallabies.

He'd take a bite out of them alright! Come out swinging. They won't believe their eyes. Other ill-discipline jokes, etc.etc.

Sorry. I'll post something serious in a bit
 
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I won't hear a bad word about Rory Best. Easily the most consistent hooker of the northern hemisphere of the last 2 years
 
Are people starting to want BOD to start now? Before the 6N it seemed only the Irish lads wanted him on, before it was Tuilagi / Davies or Roberts / Davies.

Who else would you have as captain now Warburtons form has fallen flat? BOD/Roberts with Tuilagi coming on as the classic impact sub.
 
Done nothing to me this 6N to say he should........

Rigjt ok, since you seem to like to go against the general consensus of people's opinions on this thread, enlighten me on how he 'done nothing' against Wales and who has been better?
 
Massive Ryan Jones fan but would he make the test team.....

I think so. What are the other options?
Lydiate: Injured
Ferris: Constantly injured
O'Brien: Move to openside seems to have hurt him
Robshaw: Ever improving, could tour
Croft: Not a big fan, personally. I like a tackling blindside.
Wood: Openside.
Scottish: Dunno.

@UlsterRugby. I think Davies was the better outside centre for Ireland against us ;)
 
Rigjt ok, since you seem to like to go against the general consensus of people's opinions on this thread, enlighten me on how he 'done nothing' against Wales and who has been better?

All he did, individually, in the Wales game was score a try by picking up and falling over the line and catch a very good pass from Sexton and put Zebo in with a pass that should never have got past any decent defence and Wales did not provide that on that day! He did little really of note in the match against England.

Make no mistake, I think he has been arguably the greatest centre I have seen for Ireland (the only competion being Mike Gibson) and still has something to offer the Irish side by way of experience BUT I think we have to look at the spped in the Australian back line and think.....can he keep up and my answer would be no but he would try valiantly as is his nature amply demonstrated when he would not go off against England.

For me Barritt has to be there for his defensive organisation ability and I would go with 36/Tuilagi.......and please do not have me down as an English "arrogant" supporter, I just think they would do the job better and more cohesively.

By all means have BOD on tour and even make him Captain but on basis that the Test captain would come from those selected and, if he is selected because the coaches think there is no other option, then fine and I look forward to being humbled by his performances and will support him and the other 14 on the pitch!
 
I think so. What are the other options?
Lydiate: Injured
Ferris: Constantly injured
O'Brien: Move to openside seems to have hurt him
Robshaw: Ever improving, could tour
Croft: Not a big fan, personally. I like a tackling blindside.
Wood: Openside.
Scottish: Dunno.

@UlsterRugby. I think Davies was the better outside centre for Ireland against us ;)

Lydiate: When's he back?
Ferris: Always injured yes, but he's back next week apparently and if he keeps fit I don't see why he wouldn't be on the team
O'Brien: He has changed his game, not necessarily made it worse, he focuses more on the breakdown and defensively rather than making big runs
Robshaw: He has a great chance of starting, 6 or 7 even though I think he's more a 6
Croft: Not a fan either
Wood: Eh, I think he's another '6.5' - we have too many of those
Scottish: Has Denton ever played 6?

Aha yes how could I forget Davies that game, what was I thinking :p
 
So a try, an assist and showing distrubution skills?

You're right, he was s**te. He also stopped at least 1 possbile try by nailing our player who had an overlap and winning more than 1 turnover ball at rucktime. So an all round performance then
 
All he did, individually, in the Wales game was score a try by picking up and falling over the line and catch a very good pass from Sexton and put Zebo in with a pass that should never have got past any decent defence and Wales did not provide that on that day! He did little really of note in the match against England.

Make no mistake, I think he has been arguably the greatest centre I have seen for Ireland (the only competion being Mike Gibson) and still has something to offer the Irish side by way of experience BUT I think we have to look at the spped in the Australian back line and think.....can he keep up and my answer would be no but he would try valiantly as is his nature amply demonstrated when he would not go off against England.

For me Barritt has to be there for his defensive organisation ability and I would go with 36/Tuilagi.......and please do not have me down as an English "arrogant" supporter, I just think they would do the job better and more cohesively.

By all means have BOD on tour and even make him Captain but on basis that the Test captain would come from those selected and, if he is selected because the coaches think there is no other option, then fine and I look forward to being humbled by his performances and will support him and the other 14 on the pitch!

Didnt take someone long before mentioning this arrogance rubbish, actually read what I said (it's obvious this is directed at me) instead of making your stupid assumptions.

Do you really think we'll be playing Australia in those conditions? I don't think so - nobody could have possibly had a stand out game in that weather, use your brain.

Also, you're making it out as if O'Driscoll did nothing in that pass to Zebo. "All he did"? I don't see many people throwing a blind pass to set up a try while holding off 3 defenders.
 
You're right, he was s**te.

That is the problem.....I never said that or anything like that and it is rather pathetic for you to comment like that on an honest assessment of one person who seems to have a different view to you!

I repeat that if he is picked, I wil support him wholeheartedly but, at this stage, do not think he has done enough.........
 
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