When will Aussie and Kiwi commentators learn to pronounce debut?

[big ginger 8]

You're obviously a master of wit. What an amazing rouse you've pulled.

I know I'm so witty. But you're as obvious as I am luckily for you your funny.

 

[Gena_ZA]

really, who cares about pronunciation, couldn't care less

 

[admartian]

really, who cares about pronunciation, couldn't care less

My heart skipped for a second there when I thought you would say "could care less".

 

[Hairy Scot]

About the same time that South African commentators will learn to pronounce Masaga (its actually pronounced Masanga)

On that point, the Aussie and Kiwi commentators don't do too well with the pronunciation of South African names.

Define an accent in that case.

A way of pronouncing a language that is distinctive to a country, area, social class, or individual. A significant tone or sound, esp. in speech.

Note: refers to the language, not individual words

Because it's spelt ALUMINUM here in North America not Aluminium!!!

Here is the history behind it the 2nd word for the metal was aluminum(after the discoverer had called it alumium), but the Brits thought it didn't sound "classic" enough so they changed it to Aluminium. North America never followed suit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum check the eytomology section.

How do you account for the North American pronunciation of words like : buoy, route, brassiere, premier, premiere, herb, leisure etc?

 

[Feicarsinn]

Because it's spelt ALUMINUM here in North America not Aluminium!!!

Here is the history behind it the 2nd word for the metal was aluminum(after the discoverer had called it alumium), but the Brits thought it didn't sound "classic" enough so they changed it to Aluminium. North America never followed suit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum check the eytomology section.

Weeeelll, it doesn't really say that, more that it was spelt with an ium so as to fit in with the general pattern of elements at the time. Doesn't really matter anyway, seeing as IUPAC are cool with both (although I am led to believe the prefer the European variety).

 

[LittleGuy]

Weeeelll, it doesn't really say that, more that it was spelt with an ium so as to fit in with the general pattern of elements at the time. Doesn't really matter anyway, seeing as IUPAC are cool with both (although I am led to believe the prefer the European variety).

Yes it does say that. Whatever the case is I think your right that IUPAC is ok with both, still the point I was making is smartcooky was dead wrong in this particular case as aluminium is not used here. There are actualy a bunch of differences between American and Canadian spellings as well, centre vs. center, grey and gray, colour and color...etc.

Davy settled on aluminum by the time he published his 1812 book Chemical Philosophy: "This substance appears to contain a peculiar metal, but as yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state, though alloys of it with other metalline substances have been procured sufficiently distinct to indicate the probable nature of alumina."[65] But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, in a review of Davy's book, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound" Which started many people off on changing it to fit the other metals.

@ Hairy Scot, funny you should mention Buoy, I was just watching the Penn and Teller's Bullshit Cryptozoology episode and this funny line came in, about the differences between the pronounciation. It's after the 5:00 minute mark.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Yes it does say that. Whatever the case is I think your right that IUPAC is ok with both, still the point I was making is smartcooky was dead wrong.

Davy settled on aluminum by the time he published his 1812 book Chemical Philosophy: "This substance appears to contain a peculiar metal, but as yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state, though alloys of it with other metalline substances have been procured sufficiently distinct to indicate the probable nature of alumina."[65] But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, in a review of Davy's book, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound"

I suppose, but I have trouble believing the entire scientific community decided on a bit of pretty important nomenclature based on one anonymous contributor to a non-scientific journal.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

On that point, the Aussie and Kiwi commentators don't do too well with the pronunciation of South African names.

haha it's not VAN DER LINDER, it's FANDALINDA

 

[LittleGuy]

I suppose, but I have trouble believing the entire scientific community decided on a bit of pretty important nomenclature based on one anonymous contributor to a non-scientific journal.

Thats a fair point, I'm guessing it was probably a movement to change it that many were thinking about already and this was just the first time the complaint had been published. My mistake on the interpretation of that, still it was a movement by British scholars and scientists to change it that somehow never came to North America, probably due to the slow speed of communications at the time.

 

[Draggs]

haha it's not VAN DER LINDER, it's FANDALINDA

That Bulls scrum half is OOHHgaaaad, or so I am led to believe.

 

[Hairy Scot]

haha it's not VAN DER LINDER, it's FANDALINDA

Yep!

Just as the Tottenham player is Fan Der Faart!

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Francois Yougurt

 

[InsaneAsylum]

i love it how goosen almost sounds like 'orsen'... what happened to the G?

 

[Hairy Scot]

Francois Howhard!?

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Coenie Oesthauzen

English doesn't have a comparable sound to 'oo' in Afrikaans so I don't mind it overly much. And I have to admit that some of the Polynesian names stump me as I find the spelling and the pronunciation mismatched. If I hear it correctly I can pronounce it but don't know enough of the 'rules' to pronounce it correctly off the bat.

 

[TNT88]

If you think aussie commentators are bad with saffer names, just watch them try to pronounce our names!

It's Matt Giddo /not/ Matt Giteau
Tatafu Palloddonow (one syllable) /not/ Tatafu Palota-Nau
Nathan Sharpe /not/ Nathan Shoooorrp

and don't get me started on kiwi's

Who is Wull Ginea?
Who is Bin Alexinder?
Who is Sunny Bull Wulliams?

I therefore rest my case and award Greg Martin with the super15 commentator of the century award.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Ah who cares?? it brings a bit of fun into the seriousness of the game... I like the way the Aussies struggle trying to say our names (it shows their arrogance in not trying to find out what the correct way is to say the name). With the Islanders it's a bit different in that there is sometimes a hidden letter somewhere, like masaga should be masanga, but to our defence, sometimes the NZ commentators say their names so fluent and fast you won't hear it properly, it has often happened that I only hear "masa-a".

some Commentators just don't care about the pronunciation, and that is everywhere, from SA to Aus to Wales to Argentina. I take it lightheartedly and enjoy it, maybe you guys should focus more on the game itself than on nitty-gritty problems like this...

 

[TNT88]

yea, i was joking about how overseas commentators pronounce our names wrong, not because they skip letters or anything, it's because they aren't lazy enough with the slang pronunciation!

 

[Hairy Scot]

For a long time I thought that the All Black full back was Woolly Hyena.

 

[TRF_heineken]

For a long time I thought that the All Black full back was Woolly Hyena.

Hahaha, yes but it makes more sense in Afrikaans: Wille Hiëna!! I still call him that...