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The situation in France for instance, needs to change. Top 2 French teams, have foreign players aplenty, and no room for other French players.
Nonsense.. pure nonsense...

The players that play for Toulon, Toulouse, Clermont etc are there because they are BETTER! if French players are good they are going to get in the team are they not ? there are some Top14 teams that are mostly French yet they lose to Toulon... so lets say we kick out 10 foreigners out of Toulon... they go down to 6-7th place in Top14 they will just become that average team like Agen.. how will that benefit french rugby ?? its basically the same situation except they have more frenc players and one less world class team to play against.. what is better, having a world class team to compete against even if its 100% foreigners or having a domestic team that's not as good.

I was under the impression that playing world class opposition on regular basis makes you better.
 
I wonder how much influence the fact that kiwi's live and breath rugby comes into play.
For example the under 15 team I coach starts training 12 weeks before our first preseason game.
The players have often done their own preseason fitness training so that 12 weeks I can focus on building skills.
For example my 15 year old nephew (played for me this year but will go up a grade next year) is currently on a weights and cardio program for a season that starts in June next year.
I should also add that we're not a big rugby School but a small (350 co-ed) School that only has 2 rugby teams.
During the season I had 2 parents that have played senior club rugby come in and do some sessions with the players (one a forward and one a back).
I also had a current NPC player come in and do 4-5 sessions.
I also had a former Ranfurly shield winning coach come to one of our games and watch. He then put together a training session and came and took a training, working on areas he noticed we weren't doing so well in.
All this support and for just a small School's under 15 team, you can imagine the support the big School's can get.
This grassroots support is the reason why NZ has a conveyor belt of good players, so many of our kids want to be pro rugby players and a lot are willing to put in the work from a young age.
The hardest thing about coaching over here is convincing them that kicking has a part in the game and you shouldn't just run from everywhere (my tip for that is start with attacking kicks as they see the try scoring opportunities, then once you have them kicking you can look at other areas kicks are useful).
 
The problem for Wales and the rest of us is not so much that Jonathan Davies was injured(for example) so much as the fact that there wasn't anywhere in wales another player who has equal skills and qualities. HE SHOULD NOT BE IRREPLACEABLE.

Scott Williams...

PS although Corey Allen is no where near Scott or JD's level then we lose him when he has a debut hat trick. AND THAT MY FRIENDS (fuqtards) is JUST FUQING OUTSIDE FUQING CENTRE!

Basically I am well aware that 'it takes a squad to win a Webb Ellis blah blah blah' but Wales were GENUINELY hampered this time... More than any side in any serious sporting tournament than I can remember.
 
I wonder how much influence the fact that kiwi's live and breath rugby comes into play.
For example the under 15 team I coach starts training 12 weeks before our first preseason game.
The players have often done their own preseason fitness training so that 12 weeks I can focus on building skills.
For example my 15 year old nephew (played for me this year but will go up a grade next year) is currently on a weights and cardio program for a season that starts in June next year.
I should also add that we're not a big rugby School but a small (350 co-ed) School that only has 2 rugby teams.
During the season I had 2 parents that have played senior club rugby come in and do some sessions with the players (one a forward and one a back).
I also had a current NPC player come in and do 4-5 sessions.
I also had a former Ranfurly shield winning coach come to one of our games and watch. He then put together a training session and came and took a training, working on areas he noticed we weren't doing so well in.
All this support and for just a small School's under 15 team, you can imagine the support the big School's can get.
This grassroots support is the reason why NZ has a conveyor belt of good players, so many of our kids want to be pro rugby players and a lot are willing to put in the work from a young age.
The hardest thing about coaching over here is convincing them that kicking has a part in the game and you shouldn't just run from everywhere (my tip for that is start with attacking kicks as they see the try scoring opportunities, then once you have them kicking you can look at other areas kicks are useful).

My disappointment with England, seeing as I knew in the first place that the coaching team was just not good enough and we'd not come anywhere near winning the World Cup, is actually in their so-called review because it has none of the great thinkers that I reckon could, if their heads were put together, make England the All Blacks of the Northern Hemisphere, men like Woodward, Greenwood, Moore, Johnson, Guscott, Wilkinson, and Dallaglio. I'd never imagine the All Blacks, if they needed to review their set-up, ignoring players and thinkers of that calibre and class. Your words are interesting because they show how the thinking is ingrained into the minds of your players, and I'd see the people I've mentioned wanting that to happen at the real grass root levels of the sport in England, even at English schools. I remember reading quite a few years ago now, an All-Black talking about how, when they were under the cosh and even well near their try line, that if they turned over the ball the immediate thinking was to attack, not in a gung-ho or foolhardy way, though, but as a mind-set. Every time since then when I've seen the All Blacks suddenly score late on and either escape defeat or run further away with a game, like against France in the quarter final, I've thought of that comment, and it still puzzles me that other teams don't seem to have cottoned on to it, in terms of their own play, I mean, not yours.

And like with all due respect to Robshaw - he seems a decent enough man - but as a captain, I've never seen McCaw approach the referee in that whining way Robshaw seemed to do, just as with Johnson where we had a captain who was as inspirational as your McCaw is.

I mean, even with our review, much as I admired Ian McGeechan as a fly half when he played for Scotland and the Lions, but without any disrespect to him, his being included in the review group, given he's Scottish while those English ex-players I've mentioned aren't, makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
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I wonder how much influence the fact that kiwi's live and breath rugby comes into play.
For example the under 15 team I coach starts training 12 weeks before our first preseason game.
The players have often done their own preseason fitness training so that 12 weeks I can focus on building skills.
For example my 15 year old nephew (played for me this year but will go up a grade next year) is currently on a weights and cardio program for a season that starts in June next year.
I should also add that we're not a big rugby School but a small (350 co-ed) School that only has 2 rugby teams.
During the season I had 2 parents that have played senior club rugby come in and do some sessions with the players (one a forward and one a back).
I also had a current NPC player come in and do 4-5 sessions.
I also had a former Ranfurly shield winning coach come to one of our games and watch. He then put together a training session and came and took a training, working on areas he noticed we weren't doing so well in.
All this support and for just a small School's under 15 team, you can imagine the support the big School's can get.
This grassroots support is the reason why NZ has a conveyor belt of good players, so many of our kids want to be pro rugby players and a lot are willing to put in the work from a young age.
The hardest thing about coaching over here is convincing them that kicking has a part in the game and you shouldn't just run from everywhere (my tip for that is start with attacking kicks as they see the try scoring opportunities, then once you have them kicking you can look at other areas kicks are useful).

It doesn't work out all of the time though does it ? 20 years without winning the WC if I remember.

Sure you look good, but Tonga, Namibia, Georgia, and the worst French team in history can make you feel quite superior I guess ?
 
It doesn't work out all of the time though does it ? 20 years without winning the WC if I remember.

Sure you look good, but Tonga, Namibia, Georgia, and the worst French team in history can make you feel quite superior I guess ?

No but they managed to win everything else in that time...several times
 
No but they managed to win everything else in that time...several times

But not the World Cups.

And never won a WC when not hosting it, only Aus, SA and Eng have achieved that.

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I'm just pointing out their not so invincible and certainly not as successful as they could have been in the World cups.
 
WC is a one off thing that happens every 4 years. If you think about a consistant team over the last 20 years the all blacks are it.
 
WC is a one off thing that happens every 4 years. If you think about a consistant team over the last 20 years the all blacks are it.

Well going on that theory, the England national football team 'are it'.

They also hardly ever get beaten outside the sports major tournament.
 
Well going on that theory, the England national football team 'are it'.

They also hardly ever get beaten outside the sports major tournament.

No..Different sport, different international calender. The All Blacks win the rugby Championship more than anyone else and almost always win all their games during the Autumn internationals and Summer tours plus winning every Lions series since 1971. How that compares to the England soccer team is puzzling.
 
No..Different sport, different international calender. The All Blacks win the rugby Championship more than anyone else and almost always win all their games during the Autumn internationals and Summer tours plus winning every Lions series since 1971. How that compares to the England soccer team is puzzling.

I totally agree. I have been fortunate to have seen the ABs many times,,,,I was taken as a kid to watch the Wilson Winneray team in the 60s,,,,,I had never seen such power. I have never seen a bad ABs team...Oh hell, everyone loses,,,but never a bad team. IMHO,,,this one is the best. Isn't it a pleasure to watch? Running at space, not a man, off loading to players who support and done at speed --- just like UK rugby in the 70s..... ;)
 
It's all about the money.
If the ERU and the other unions in Europe sink money into building the game at the grass roots level the more kids will come through with the requisite skills to make the age group representative teams. Widen the rep team league and get more of them on board at a higher level when they are early teenagers.
More money = more quality on the conveyer belt.
 
It's all about the money.
If the ERU and the other unions in Europe sink money into building the game at the grass roots level the more kids will come through with the requisite skills to make the age group representative teams. Widen the rep team league and get more of them on board at a higher level when they are early teenagers.
More money = more quality on the conveyer belt.

English age groups tend to be stronger than most if not all
 
I totally agree. I have been fortunate to have seen the ABs many times,,,,I was taken as a kid to watch the Wilson Winneray team in the 60s,,,,,I had never seen such power. I have never seen a bad ABs team...Oh hell, everyone loses,,,but never a bad team. IMHO,,,this one is the best. Isn't it a pleasure to watch? Running at space, not a man, off loading to players who support and done at speed --- just like UK rugby in the 70s..... ;)

Talking of rugby in the 70's.:eek:
I remember my first Twickenham visit was 1976.England v Wales 5 nations.Still have the match programme.Boy what a great side Wales had.Edwards,Benno,JPR,Merve the Swerve etc,and my personal favourite Gerald Davies.England got off lightly that day and got beat 9-21.:eek:
 
Talking of rugby in the 70's.:eek:
I remember my first Twickenham visit was 1976.England v Wales 5 nations.Still have the match programme.Boy what a great side Wales had.Edwards,Benno,JPR,Merve the Swerve etc,and my personal favourite Gerald Davies.England got off lightly that day and got beat 9-21.:eek:

Ah those were the days when England were crap but were bloody nice blokes! Never happen now, could you imagine an England coach in the modern game who cared more about England being a team of bloody nice blokes than a winning one?
 
I think that's a misconception. Italy haven't improved much since entering the 6N.
They've improved a fair bit they use to get a kicking every week now they'll push most teams. It's kicking on from that position that's the problem in recent years.
 
They've improved a fair bit they use to get a kicking every week now they'll push most teams. It's kicking on from that position that's the problem in recent years.

Their game plan is still very limited and more based around slowing the other side down than actually winning...apart from when they play Scotland.
 
It doesn't work out all of the time though does it ? 20 years without winning the WC if I remember.

Sure you look good, but Tonga, Namibia, Georgia, and the worst French team in history can make you feel quite superior I guess ?

Of course it doesn't, nothing works all the time. Would be bloody boring if it did.
Was merely pointing out why we have such a "conveyor belt"of players always coming through, because our country is obsessed with the sport and has a very open, supportive grassroots culture.
Hell last year myself and another coach (same grade) spent a lot of time talking tactics and coaching - sharing ideas etc...
Ended up with us losing the semi to them and them going on to win.
Would of been real gutted except we have 180 boys at our School and they have 1300 (they are one of the big rugby Schools).
Didn't mean to come off sounding as if I feel we're superior.
 
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