Warm Up Match 3: Crusaders v British & Irish Lions (Christchurch)

[ALJ]

See thats the problem IMO, it isn't meant to been seen as pre-match entertainment and i'm sure the players don't see it as that so i don't know why others look at it like that.

Maybe I'm just not expressing myself well enough (wouldn't be the first time) as that's pretty much my point.

If there's a history of all the clubs doing this for touring sides (and I mean any history, Lions, other special tours, whatever) then my point is completely invalid and I'll hold my hands up.

But if this is the first time then it just starts to look like pre-match entertainment before each game and its traditional relevance becomes diluted as a result.

Again, it's IMHO.

 

[Penne Rara]

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[Penne Rara]

Having given it a little thought, smatcooky's points are interesting, and could be crucial in the test series.
1) If the ABs have an advantage at scrum time, then that is important insofar as making the Lions backline step back to stay onside, assuming the scrum is going backwards a little.
2) That will then make the rush D less effective, as they'll be on the back foot, with the ABs having a bit of extra space and time.

Therefore, the refereeing of the scrums, and the offside line, could be important.

I still think that it won't make much odds, as the AB coaches will be expecting it, and the gameplan is far too limited to stop them. First test is the biggest worry. As usual. Could be tight. I just see more game breakers in the black team than the other lot.

Yup, dominating the scrum puts a lot of pressure on the defending team, and they're likely to be offside as a consequence of that to nip the menace in the bud... after a successful scrum, I imagine the ABs would kick into touch and try to score while in the opposition 22. The problem is... I can't see them dominating the scrum. The Saders got destroyed a couple of times tonight and they had a 0.75% All Blacks pack at their disposal.

 

[Truth]

The haka performed with intensity requires the use of energy.

 

[Penne Rara]

The haka performed with intensity requires the use of energy.

You don't say! Even walking requires energy mate.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Maybe I'm just not expressing myself well enough (wouldn't be the first time) as that's pretty much my point.

If there's a history of all the clubs doing this for touring sides (and I mean any history, Lions, other special tours, whatever) then my point is completely invalid and I'll hold my hands up.

But if this is the first time then it just starts to look like pre-match entertainment before each game and its traditional relevance becomes diluted as a result.

Again, it's IMHO.

It's different it's the first time the NZ tour has had super rugby teams rather than Provincial teams.

 

[Truth]

You don't say! Even walking requires energy mate.

Im just stating the facts. Watching the haka, doesn't use up as much energy as performing it with intensity.

 

[Ground We Won]

Maybe I'm just not expressing myself well enough (wouldn't be the first time) as that's pretty much my point.

If there's a history of all the clubs doing this for touring sides (and I mean any history, Lions, other special tours, whatever) then my point is completely invalid and I'll hold my hands up.

But if this is the first time then it just starts to look like pre-match entertainment before each game and its traditional relevance becomes diluted as a result.

Again, it's IMHO.

They're touring NZ and the Lions are considered highly honoured guests. The Haka is not mutually exclusive to sports. Honoured guests routinely receive a Haka, I believe all of the Royal family have received these welcomes before on many occasions and that's just an example.

 

[Penne Rara]

Haha I get it now, nice name and nice trolling

 

[ALJ]

It's different it's the first time the NZ tour has had super rugby teams rather than Provincial teams.

True enough, although isn't this only the second tour that it would have been possible to play the Super Rugby teams?

As a genuine question, why is it more appropriate at Super Rugby level?

I know I'm banging on but I really want to understand what I'm not getting.

 

[Truth]

Haha I get it now, nice name and nice trolling

Whats trolling? Is it telling the truth? Sticking to facts?

 

[Truth]

As a genuine question, why is it more appropriate at Super Rugby level?

The haka is never performed at Super Rugby games. Well, maybe after the games if the team wishes too.

 

[Penne Rara]

Telling facts to tell facts never brought anything to the conversation. I've said enough and I understand your point. Oh, wait, your words are pointless. Which is why I call you a troll.

 

[Truth]

Oh, wait, your words are pointless. Which is why I call you a troll.

So pointless YOU reply to them...

 

[ALJ]

They're touring NZ and the Lions are considered highly honoured guests. The Haka is not mutually exclusive to sports. Honoured guests routinely receive a Haka, I believe all of the Royal family have received these welcomes before on many occasions and that's just an example.

That's basically what the Lions received at the airport when they arrived.

I would hope I've made it clear that I'm not questioning the legitimacy of the haka (and if that wasn't clear before, let me make it clear now), I'm questioning why it is being performed by so many sides on this tour when (I believe) that has never been the case previously?

 

[Truth]

Telling facts to tell facts never brought anything to the conversation. I've said enough and I understand your point. Oh, wait, your words are pointless. Which is why I call you a troll.

Theyre not my words, they're facts! You're missing the point in some of them.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

And if the Haka is a welcome why do they also do it overseas?

 

[Truth]

That's basically what the Lions received at the airport when they arrived.

Thats actually a powhiri. Its a welcoming on to NZ soil.

 

[McTallshort]

- 13 mins

- 4 mins

Why do they show the Hakka in the highlights? It's bad enough the players have to endure yet another dull dance no need to make the rest of us suffer.

 

[Truth]

And if the Haka is a welcome why do they also do it overseas?

The haka is not a welcoming. Its a Maori war dance.