Wallabies Back-line?

[Woldog]

9. Polota-Nau
10. George Smith
11. James Horwill
12. Ben Alexander
13. Digby Ioane
14. Al Baxter
15. Richard Brown

 

[Sebastian V]

With everyone fit n healthy my realistic side would be:

9. Genia
---10. Barnes
------12. Giteau
----------13. Mortlock
--------------14. AAC
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepard (havent seen a lot of him play but u guys have gave him some good words so u's have convinced me lol if not AAC at fullback, O'connor is not ready n like mentioned b4 his best position would be inside centre but no-where near as good as gits of barnes yet. JOC should be on the bench)

if gasnia could play id stick him in for sure (at outside if not wing). might even give quade cooper a shot. Ioane Def needs to be in there at either wing or outside, Mortlock is getting questionable, AAC gotta be there at either wing or fullback (3rd choice outside centre behind mortlock n ioane, n he cant play inside as seen in the boks game). Dont want cross in the team. Hynes, mitchell, turner wouldnt hate it if they were there they all have played bad and good at times.

As mentioned before i always thought Turner is sometimes slow off the start. Others say he is extremely quick off the start. Sometimes his speed comes out of nowhere like when he nearly scored the try against the boks, other times he seems average. a speedster would be nice but I just dont know about him...

 

[Randwick Kingfisher]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sebastian V @ Sep 25 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

With everyone fit n healthy my realistic side would be:

9. Genia
---10. Barnes
------12. Giteau
----------13. Mortlock
--------------14. AAC
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepard (havent seen a lot of him play but u guys have gave him some good words so u's have convinced me lol if not AAC at fullback, O'connor is not ready n like mentioned b4 his best position would be inside centre but no-where near as good as gits of barnes yet. JOC should be on the bench)

if gasnia could play id stick him in for sure (at outside if not wing). might even give quade cooper a shot. Ioane Def needs to be in there at either wing or outside, Mortlock is getting questionable, AAC gotta be there at either wing or fullback (3rd choice outside centre behind mortlock n ioane, n he cant play inside as seen in the boks game). Dont want cross in the team. Hynes, mitchell, turner wouldnt hate it if they were there they all have played bad and good at times.

As mentioned before i always thought Turner is sometimes slow off the start. Others say he is extremely quick off the start. Sometimes his speed comes out of nowhere like when he nearly scored the try against the boks, other times he seems average. a speedster would be nice but I just dont know about him...[/b]

Gasnier would be good maybe even great for the Wallabies. Tuquiri's good but Gasnier would be better 'cos Gasnier can attack like a winger and also has a good passing game that makes him an option at centre.

 

[Woldog]

Do any of you actually watch Rugby? Tuqiri for the last three years has been ****, so it's not a feat being better than him, plus he's not even able to play for Australia anymore, Gasnier is terrible so why would we want him? Ioane is the No. 1 choice for Winger and the No. 2 choice for outside Center, I can see Ioane replacing Turner or Mitchell in the Squad, as much as I hate to say it, it will most likely be Mitchell because his performance as of the Tri-Nations was nothing too exciting.

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 27 2009, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Do any of you actually watch Rugby? Tuqiri for the last three years has been ****, so it's not a feat being better than him, plus he's not even able to play for Australia anymore, Gasnier is terrible so why would we want him? Ioane is the No. 1 choice for Winger and the No. 2 choice for outside Center, I can see Ioane replacing Turner or Mitchell in the Squad, as much as I hate to say it, it will most likely be Mitchell because his performance as of the Tri-Nations was nothing too exciting.[/b]

Gasnier hasn't been that good for Stade... and he's mostly played on the wing...

I don't want to see him near a Wallaby jersey...

 

[Maccaweeny]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 28 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Do any of you actually watch Rugby? Tuqiri for the last three years has been ****, so it's not a feat being better than him, plus he's not even able to play for Australia anymore, Gasnier is terrible so why would we want him? Ioane is the No. 1 choice for Winger and the No. 2 choice for outside Center, I can see Ioane replacing Turner or Mitchell in the Squad, as much as I hate to say it, it will most likely be Mitchell because his performance as of the Tri-Nations was nothing too exciting.[/b]

Turner should be out until he learns how to defend aggressively and hang onto a tackle. I'd say Mitchell has a better track-record; think Deans is only showing faith in Turner because he's our fastest flyer.

 

[Randwick Kingfisher]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 28 2009, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Do any of you actually watch Rugby? Tuqiri for the last three years has been ****, so it's not a feat being better than him, plus he's not even able to play for Australia anymore, Gasnier is terrible so why would we want him? Ioane is the No. 1 choice for Winger and the No. 2 choice for outside Center, I can see Ioane replacing Turner or Mitchell in the Squad, as much as I hate to say it, it will most likely be Mitchell because his performance as of the Tri-Nations was nothing too exciting.[/b]

Of course I watch rugby thats a waste (stupid) of a question. Here in NZ when Tuquiri or Mortlock gets the ball the pubs here yell 'get him get him', when any one else from the Wallabie backline gets the ball no one is really worried. Thats an oppositions perspective.

Like I said before I have been watching rugby quite closely. I've seen Turner, Ioane and Mitchell all these players that you've mentioned that you feel should be in the Wallabies. Turners a good does his job guy but no real x-factor. Ioane is a strong presence but might be suspect under the high ball and not as fast as the current Aussie wingers, havent really seen him kick, no doubt better off in the centres. Mitchell is a top player can play wing and fullback, strong on his feet, can kick, safe and a good runner. If all 3 were kiwis Mitchell would be the only one picked for the ABs I reckon.

So we seen all these guys and they ok. They had an ok super 14 also. Gasnier however (we always get highlights of him here and it seems to be the good bits) seems to be playing well in France. Gasnier should at least be given a chance surely theres a team in one of your super 14 franchises for him to play in. Besides apart from Tahu all the other league converts have played for the aussies and Gasnier left league as one of the games best. So why not?..theres no sensible reason for him not playing. Terrible??...thats no reason.

P.S:- I like your backline Woldoq (1st post of this page lol).

 

[Woldog]

Ioane is still young, but he shows more promise than Turner or Mitchell, Mitchell reached the top of his game too quickly, Ioane is actually faster than Mitchell. Gasnier is the worst player I've ever seen in the history of the planet (except maybe Quade Cooper) Look at highlights of Quade Cooper and he looks gun as, look at a bloopers reel and you see what happens when he doesn't bring his A game, same as Gasnier.

tl;dr?

Ioane is god.

 

[Wally]

Hopefully 2010 uncovers some decent outside backs. Cross, Mitchell, Turner and Hynes are all pretty mundane. Is Shepherd playing in Australia next year? If so he could be the tip at fullback if he has an injury free season. Next year I want to see blokes like Quade Cooper, Kurtley Beale, Digby Ioane, Richard Kingi, Rob Horne, Nick Cummins and Francis Fainifo to step up and push for Wallaby jerseys. God knows we need the competition / depth. Hopefully then we won't see gutless performances like the one they put in against the All Blacks most recently.

 

[danger]

Yeah, if i were Robbie Deans, my priorities would be;

*Switching Giteau and Barnes. 2nd 5 is a better position to attack from, 1st 5 has more of an emphasis on distribution. Matt Giteau is a far better attacker, Barnes is a better distributer. Seems like a no brainer to be honest. Giteau was absolutely lethal playing at 2nd 5 early in his career, hes only been great at 1st 5. If Barnes is really feeling the pressure in a particular facet they can always switch for a couple of plays.

*Digby needs to be there. Mortlocks been great but hes about 150 and its finally starting to show. Digby has so much natural talent its scary, bring him in the team, as a wing to get used to the buisness like Mortock did, then move into centre. He should be Australias answer to Umaga by 2015.

*JOC should be persisted with. He was shiiite against NZ, but you have to keep him there. At fullback. Put pressure on his S14 coach to give him gametime at the back. Hes a better 2nd 5 but not better then Giteau or Barnes, Hes too good to leave out of the squad and has the raw skills for fullback.

*Kingi should be kept in mind. The halfback stocks in Australia aren't that great. Genias a class act but i dont think hes extraordinary and besides him things are grim. Kingi is a gamebreaker. Would be the ultimate gun impact player and would overtake Genia by 2015.

*Wings are solid, but i think they need one solid winger and one "if you give me the ball im going to tear this **** up" winger. I.e, Mark Gasnier. Hes was one of the only mungos i saw playing with a brain. And he could also "tear this **** up".

*Quade Cooper and Kurtley Beale should not be cast out. Spend the yearly "find a player in the NRL fund" on training up Beale and Cooper. Barnes is solid, but sometimes slow and steady doesnt win the race. If play is stagnant and you just cant break the line (like the ABs against france in 2007..), put Giteau into 1st and one of these freaks into 2nd. I know they suck when they are off, but when they are on its magic. They could really blast a game right open from the bench.

*AAC looks like Mr Fix-it on the bench to me. Great injury replacement anywhere on the field.

9)Genia
10)Barnes
11)Gasnier
12)Giteau
13)Digby
14)Turner
15)JOC

20)Kingi
21)Cooper/Beale
22)AAC

 

[Woldog]

Why does no one ever mention Tyrone Smith, Surely he is good enough to be a reserve Wallaby, he's better than Quade Cooper (not that Cooper plays inside center or Wing.)

 

[Randwick Kingfisher]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 28 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ioane is still young, but he shows more promise than Turner or Mitchell, Mitchell reached the top of his game too quickly, Ioane is actually faster than Mitchell. Gasnier is the worst player I've ever seen in the history of the planet (except maybe Quade Cooper) Look at highlights of Quade Cooper and he looks gun as, look at a bloopers reel and you see what happens when he doesn't bring his A game, same as Gasnier.

tl;dr?

Ioane is god.[/b]

Geez no-one likes Gasnier. I'm not going to mention Gasnier again. :mellow:

 

[Woldog]

He's not that bad lol, I like over exaggerating, but he's not exactly great either.

 

[danger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 28 2009, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Why does no one ever mention Tyrone Smith, Surely he is good enough to be a reserve Wallaby, he's better than Quade Cooper (not that Cooper plays inside center or Wing.)[/b]

Cooper plays inside center... and has played wing or fullback many times, although not a professional level.

 

[Woldog]

Yeah he plays Inside center but he sucks, he sucks at fly-half too but that's his preferred position, Fullback he's damn terrible and he's far too slow for wing. Tyrone Smith destroys Cooper skills wise.

 

[QLD]

Agreed with Tyrone Smith. Can't believe he's not getting a mention for the Wallabies squad.

 

[danger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 29 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Yeah he plays Inside center but he sucks, he sucks at fly-half too but that's his preferred position, Fullback he's damn terrible and he's far too slow for wing. Tyrone Smith destroys Cooper skills wise.[/b]

He doesnt suck all the time.. When hes on hes one of the worlds best. when hes off hes terrible.

Tyrone Smith can't compete with Quade Cooper if hes firing. (Granted thats not often, but hes only 21, might get more polished with age.)

 

[Woldog]

Wouldn't matter if he can't compete with Cooper when he's on fire, the fact is Tyrone Smith gives consistently good performances.

 

[danger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 29 2009, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Wouldn't matter if he can't compete with Cooper when he's on fire, the fact is Tyrone Smith gives consistently good performances.[/b]

Exactly.. Consistently good vs Inconsistently great

Thats just they way i do things i suppose. I'm not saying its the "Right" way.

I just like my bench to have one consistent performer (AAC) and one potential game breaker (Cooper).

 

[Woldog]

Doubt Cooper could break any game against a real team....