Wallabies Back-line?

[Haj]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 18 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Cross' defence isn't very good... Most league converts tend not to do well in the centres...[/b]

If memory serves me well the last time cross had a crack at 13 it was adam ashley-cooper that stuffed up at 12 to allow 2 tries.

What I would like to see with all available ozzies fit and healthy

9 will Genia
10 berrick barnes
11 adam ashly-cooper
12 matt giteau
13 digby ioane
14 peter hynes
15 cameron shepherd



AAC best position imho is on the wing. with the way the game is atm(lots of high balls etc) we need wingers reliable under the high ball with a decent boot to take pressure off the fullback. AAC and hynes both fill those needs on the wing and have good speed off the mark. i hold my breath everytime drew mitchell kicks the ball expecting it to come off the side of his boot all the time and this year has had a tendenecy to drop off some crucial tackles(twice now against corey jane.) Turner was supposed to add speed but from what i gather he needs to biuld up a head of steam before he speeds up. Off the mark he's slower then a forward. Under the high ball and decision making under pressure is where he fails imo.
We need Cameron Shepherd at fullback. he's big in the mold of latham. good under the high ball and has a good boot. as well as finishing out wide he is a consistant line breaker when counter attacking from deep....much like latham. The only other ozzie coming anywhere close to Sheps is Mark Gerrard who i think has been hard done by in recent wallaby selections before leaving.
I chose not to have digby on the wing cos he's a liability under the high ball and cant kick. In the centres hes a strong and aggressive tackler and will always keep the defensive line honest. He was the best outside centre in oz for 2009 super rugby.
Im all for swapping barnes and gits. Barnes is ready to take control and gits is best at 12 with a bit more room to move.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

Haj I think some people will disagree with you but i'm a fan of experimentation and i think if something's not working then change it. for example in cricket, if two batsmen are dominating, throw a different type of bowler into the mix.

i wish deans would give other players/combinations a go and i think your theory of the back 3 being good at full back is sound. there's nothing to lose in doing this and there's also nothing to lose by switching giteau and barnes. it's worked once during the trinations, i'm sure it can work again.

 

[Maccaweeny]

Hate to say it but Sam Norton-Knight would have also been a good option as a back-up #15. His kicking and positional play were excellent for the Waratahs.

 

[Tomsey]

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Turner was supposed to add speed but from what i gather he needs to biuld up a head of steam before he speeds up. Off the mark he's slower then a forward[/b]

I saw one of the wallabies games live this year and was sitting right next to the sideline, so I got to experience his acceleration 1st hand and he is one of the the quickest off the mark I have ever seen. EASILY the quickest accelerator in the wallabies side.

I do like the idea of Barnes playing 10 and Giteau at 12. Gits is a good 10 but as a combination I rate them better with him at 12. If nothing else he is much quicker than Barnes. However it they do already swap around for some set moves. AAC's try against South Africa is a prime example

here is my side.

9 Will Genia
10 Berrick Barnes
11 Drew Mitchell
12 Matt Giteau
13 Stirling Mortlock
14 Lachine Turner
15 Adam Ashly-Cooper

I've picked Mortlock in the centers. If he's not fit i'd play Ryan Cross there. He's not as good as AAC but I would rather him in the side than O'connor.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

i think hynes is way more solid than drew mitchell. hynes is a 'nuggety' queenslander with and solid all round game, whereas mitchell has an EMO haircut.

 

[Haj]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Sep 23 2009, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hate to say it but Sam Norton-Knight would have also been a good option as a back-up #15. His kicking and positional play were excellent for the Waratahs.[/b]

Yes SNK would have been very handy had he been available.
Wouldve also have liked to have seen act/nsw try and develop him a lot more at 10 as well during his time in super rugby. He had drips and drops at 10 but he hardly got given the oppurtunities golden childs like beale, cooper, barnes etc etc had been given in time develop as a playmaker. Bit of a wasted ozzie talent imo and thru no fault of his own.

 

[Haj]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tomsey @ Sep 23 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

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Turner was supposed to add speed but from what i gather he needs to biuld up a head of steam before he speeds up. Off the mark he's slower then a forward[/b]

I saw one of the wallabies games live this year and was sitting right next to the sideline, so I got to experience his acceleration 1st hand and he is one of the the quickest off the mark I have ever seen. EASILY the quickest accelerator in the wallabies side.

[/b][/quote]

definitely the quickest over 50m and more.

 

[Woldog]

Best backline we could possibly have would be:

9. Will Genia
10. Matt Giteau
11. Digby Ioane
12. Digby Ioane
13. Digby Ioane
14. Digby Ioane
15. Adam Ashley-Cooper

That's a longshot though.

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Randwick Kingfisher @ Sep 19 2009, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

hey Fushi did you see O'Connor against the all blacks?..

maybe the wing is good for him, I counted bout 4 or 5 mistakes from him 2 of them led to us (NZ) scoring..i.e walking outside the 22 and kicking it out on the full dont think Mitchell would have done that..

Im just reffering to your post saying..O'Connor on the wing??? No thanks

Not trying to sound like an 'I told you so', but geez why not O'Connor on the wing might be the case now anyway after Saturday night.[/b]

That doesn't make sense buddy...

That makes no sense whatsoever...

Giteau hasn't played that well of late... should he be on the other wing?

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haj @ Sep 23 2009, 04:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 18 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Cross' defence isn't very good... Most league converts tend not to do well in the centres...[/b]

If memory serves me well the last time cross had a crack at 13 it was adam ashley-cooper that stuffed up at 12 to allow 2 tries.
[/b][/quote]

There were definitely communication issues between Giteau and AAC... but that doesn't take away from Cross' defensive frailties at outside centre... a position where AAC is infinitely more reliable...

 

[Thingimubob]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Sep 23 2009, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Hate to say it but Sam Norton-Knight would have also been a good option as a back-up #15. His kicking and positional play were excellent for the Waratahs.[/b]

You can have him back if you want, he's sh*tter than Ceri Sweeney atm, which is something I never thought I'd say about any player!
His tactical kicking AND positional play have all been shocking, though from no.10 not no.15, but still you'd expect his punting to not screw up half the time, and for him to make touch from penalties more than once or twice a match... <_< bloody Sam Norton-Knightmare

 

[danger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Sep 24 2009, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Best backline we could possibly have would be:

9. Will Genia
10. Matt Giteau
11. Digby Ioane
12. Digby Ioane
13. Digby Ioane
14. Digby Ioane
15. Adam Ashley-Cooper

That's a longshot though.[/b]

Haha exactly, i dont know why Digby is being left out of some posters sides. hes one of the most dynamic attackers in the Trinations. not a bad defender either

 

[smartcooky]

Don't any of you Aussies see the merits of playing Gitaeu at 9?

Of the few times I have seen him at 9 I thought he was bloody good.



9. Giteau
---10. Barnes
------12. Mortlock
----------13. AAC
--------------14. Turner
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepherd

or alternatively, with AAC and Mortlock swapped

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (smartcooky @ Sep 23 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Don't any of you Aussies see the merits of playing Gitaeu at 9?

Of the few times I have seen him at 9 I thought he was bloody good.



9. Giteau
---10. Barnes
------12. Mortlock
----------13. AAC
--------------14. Turner
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepherd

or alternatively, with AAC and Mortlock swapped[/b]

I don't think Giteau is a halfback at all...

Personally I would currently go with -

9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Hynes
12. Barnes
13. Mortlock
14. Ioane
15. Ashley-Cooper

That's a bit of a conservative selection but our current back 3 have been incredibly flakey...

If Mortlock goes you shift Ioane to outside centre and bring in one of our other flakey wingers...

 

[Juan VdS]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 23 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I don't think Giteau is a halfback at all...

Personally I would currently go with -

9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Hynes
12. Barnes
13. Mortlock
14. Ioane
15. Ashley-Cooper

That's a bit of a conservative selection but our current back 3 have been incredibly flakey...

If Mortlock goes you shift Ioane to outside centre and bring in one of our other flakey wingers...[/b]

Cloning is not allowed!

On a more serious note though, I agree with your selection (with Giteau as inside centre). Digby Ioane is outstanding. I kind of liked O'Connor in the last games though, perhaps he needs more caps at international level to actually deliver his skills on a regular basis?

 

[danger]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (smartcooky @ Sep 24 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Don't any of you Aussies see the merits of playing Gitaeu at 9?

Of the few times I have seen him at 9 I thought he was bloody good.



9. Giteau
---10. Barnes
------12. Mortlock
----------13. AAC
--------------14. Turner
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepherd

or alternatively, with AAC and Mortlock swapped[/b]

Hes a handy halfback but hes their best player. He can influence the game more from 1st and 2nd, kind of wasted at halfback.

 

[Randwick Kingfisher]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 24 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (smartcooky @ Sep 23 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't any of you Aussies see the merits of playing Gitaeu at 9?

Of the few times I have seen him at 9 I thought he was bloody good.



9. Giteau
---10. Barnes
------12. Mortlock
----------13. AAC
--------------14. Turner
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepherd

or alternatively, with AAC and Mortlock swapped[/b]

I don't think Giteau is a halfback at all...

Personally I would currently go with -

9. Genia
10. Barns
11. Hynes
12. Barnes
13. Mortlock
14. Ioane
15. Ashley-Cooper

That's a bit of a conservative selection but our current back 3 have been incredibly flakey...

If Mortlock goes you shift Ioane to outside centre and bring in one of our other flakey wingers...
[/b][/quote]


So despite O'Connor evidently helping us beat (to say the least) the Wallabies, because he did make mistakes and thats why in MY backline I put him on the wing and would've had Cooper or Mitchell there. If O'Connor was on the wing Fushi do you think he would have been in those positions he found himself in?

Oh and you crack me up 'cos just like the 'O'Connor on the wing?? No thanks', scenario that were disagreeing with (and now we've seen O'Connor at fullback just like you THOUGHT was right for a promising kid just making his way in, everyone watching the game would be thinking 'maybe should've played on the WING') apart from that you replied that I dont make sense on something as simple as telling someone to wear a jersey with a certain number on it. If you can play fullback you can definately play wing simple as that. No sense????.... I'll tell you what doesnt make sense is having Barnes play 2 positions hahahaha....you dont like Giteau??...hahahahaha
'Berrick Barnes out to Berrick Barnes no they're not twins ladies and gentlemans',......hahaha

Hey thanks very much Fushi...hahaha

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Juan VdS @ Sep 24 2009, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 23 2009, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I don't think Giteau is a halfback at all...

Personally I would currently go with -

9. Genia
10. Barnes
11. Hynes
12. Barnes
13. Mortlock
14. Ioane
15. Ashley-Cooper

That's a bit of a conservative selection but our current back 3 have been incredibly flakey...

If Mortlock goes you shift Ioane to outside centre and bring in one of our other flakey wingers...[/b]

Cloning is not allowed!

On a more serious note though, I agree with your selection (with Giteau as inside centre). Digby Ioane is outstanding. I kind of liked O'Connor in the last games though, perhaps he needs more caps at international level to actually deliver his skills on a regular basis?
[/b][/quote]

Whoops!

That was supposed to be Giteau at inside centre... with the possibility of Giteau and Barnes swapping depending on the play...

As for O'Connor... I think he should be on the bench as he develops into a test player... I think inside centre is still his best position but he isn't going to overtake Barnes or Giteau anytime soon...

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Randwick Kingfisher @ Sep 24 2009, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Sep 24 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (smartcooky @ Sep 23 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't any of you Aussies see the merits of playing Gitaeu at 9?

Of the few times I have seen him at 9 I thought he was bloody good.



9. Giteau
---10. Barnes
------12. Mortlock
----------13. AAC
--------------14. Turner
11. Ioane
---------15. Shepherd

or alternatively, with AAC and Mortlock swapped[/b]

I don't think Giteau is a halfback at all...

Personally I would currently go with -

9. Genia
10. Barns
11. Hynes
12. Barnes
13. Mortlock
14. Ioane
15. Ashley-Cooper

That's a bit of a conservative selection but our current back 3 have been incredibly flakey...

If Mortlock goes you shift Ioane to outside centre and bring in one of our other flakey wingers...
[/b][/quote]


So despite O'Connor evidently helping us beat (to say the least) the Wallabies, because he did make mistakes and thats why in MY backline I put him on the wing and would've had Cooper or Mitchell there. If O'Connor was on the wing Fushi do you think he would have been in those positions he found himself in?

Oh and you crack me up 'cos just like the 'O'Connor on the wing?? No thanks', scenario that were disagreeing with (and now we've seen O'Connor at fullback just like you THOUGHT was right for a promising kid just making his way in, everyone watching the game would be thinking 'maybe should've played on the WING') apart from that you replied that I dont make sense on something as simple as telling someone to wear a jersey with a certain number on it. If you can play fullback you can definately play wing simple as that. No sense????.... I'll tell you what doesnt make sense is having Barnes play 2 positions hahahaha....you dont like Giteau??...hahahahaha
'Berrick Barnes out to Berrick Barnes no they're not twins ladies and gentlemans',......hahaha

Hey thanks very much Fushi...hahaha
[/b][/quote]


O'Connor is simply not a winger...

We need tough speedsters out there who are also reliable under the high ball...

O'Connor has played all of his best rugby at inside centre, and has done ok back at fullback but is clearly not yet ready...

His talents would be wasted out on the wing... just like Giteau would be wasted at halfback...

 

[Randwick Kingfisher]

ohh ok Fushi, I didnt know he was more of a centre