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I don't know why people are getting so worked up about me SUGGESTING Brew to try out at centre, as I've said if he doesn't play well then thats that, if he does then great.
I suppose it takes away a chance from someone who plays week in week out at centre - he's got a few caps for Wales but hasn't exactly set the world alight, I get the impression he's going to be a good-for-club-not-for-country type of player, shifting him out of position just takes away a chance for a centre to break into the WC squad in the warmups
 
Well I've suggested Ashley Smith before now but he has been shot down, everyone saying he just doesn't wow, hasn't done anything to stand out etc etc, so surely Hewitt and Maule are in and around the same bracket? I actually rate Gareth Maule and think he could do a job. I don't know why people are getting so worked up about me SUGGESTING Brew to try out at centre, as I've said if he doesn't play well then thats that, if he does then great. I do accept that I was probably wrong in saying chuck him straight in for Wales (maybe some people are right in saying that he should be tested there for the Dragons first) but on the other hand there are no more Dragons games left this season anyway and I thought giving him a chance against England in 1/2 of our 2 friendlies where there is nothing to play for other than pride would be a reasonable suggestion.

Yeh I put Daf Hewitt and Maule in the same boat at Ashley Smith tbh. They've simply never shown me that they have the potential to step up the one or two levels required to be a force at international level. I may be way off the mark, but being so close the the WC, now isn't the time to test them. Only uncapped players playing out of their skin should be considered like Faletau and possibly Tovey.

I completely disagree with your view of the warm-up matches. These games need to be used as a way to fine tune our game and settle on final combinations ready for the WC. They are not a time for experimenting with shoving wingers in at centre, and handing out first caps like candy. As I said, one or two uncapped players deserved to be tested, as they genuenly offer something that's missing from the current squad and are playing better than every other option. A little experimentation can take place in the Baabaa's match, but after that it's about selecting the best players and coming together as a team and sorting out the broken tactics.

Edit. I also just want to say that I'm not totally against trying Brew at centre. He has many attributes with could suit the position. He is however missing a cruicial element, and that is distribution. Distribution is very different from handling, and isn't just the ability to offload. Other Welsh centres suffer from this same weakness though, notably Jamie Roberts, so I won't be too harsh on Brew for that. If he get's some chances at centre for the Dragons next season, then Wales can consider it, but untill then he's not worth it. He deserves a shot on the wing though, no question.
 
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I take all of your points on board, of which all are fair and relevant. I think you all know my stance on the situation :D and I'll leave it at that with regards to Brew.
 
Why is nobody considering Stoddart at Fullback? His defence is improving with every game and is a far better runner than any other options we have at 15, plus he can pass unlike Czekaj, who should be nowere near the Welsh side. If he has a decent game at 15, he wouldn't be a million miles off starting at the World Cup. (Well, depends how far it is from Cardiff to Wellington, I guess...)

Personally, I'd go with a backline of-

9. Tavis Knoyle
10. Stephen Jones/Rhys Priestland
11. Shane Williams (If fit)/George North
12. Gavin Henson
13. Jonathan Davies
14. Aled Brew
15. Morgan Stoddart

If he doesn't start, I'd make sure Priestland gets a decent amount of gametime, as thus far he only has 7 minutes against Scotland, and that's not really enough to tell anything.
 
Knoyle- No, not up to this level. I'd go with Peel.
Stephen Jones- No, we know he can play, I'd give Robinson a shot.
Shane/North- Tough call. I think both would be suited for this match, but North is the newer player while again, we know what Shane can do.
Stoddart- His defence might have improved slightly, but still not international class. Unfortuntely, he might be out only Fullback for this match. As it is the Barbarians, perhaps.

I just wish we weren't giving caps for this. Should have been Wales XV.
 
Yeh I put Daf Hewitt and Maule in the same boat at Ashley Smith tbh. They've simply never shown me that they have the potential to step up the one or two levels required to be a force at international level. I may be way off the mark, but being so close the the WC, now isn't the time to test them. Only uncapped players playing out of their skin should be considered like Faletau and possibly Tovey.

I completely disagree with your view of the warm-up matches. These games need to be used as a way to fine tune our game and settle on final combinations ready for the WC. They are not a time for experimenting with shoving wingers in at centre, and handing out first caps like candy. As I said, one or two uncapped players deserved to be tested, as they genuenly offer something that's missing from the current squad and are playing better than every other option. A little experimentation can take place in the Baabaa's match, but after that it's about selecting the best players and coming together as a team and sorting out the broken tactics.

Edit. I also just want to say that I'm not totally against trying Brew at centre. He has many attributes with could suit the position. He is however missing a cruicial element, and that is distribution. Distribution is very different from handling, and isn't just the ability to offload. Other Welsh centres suffer from this same weakness though, notably Jamie Roberts, so I won't be too harsh on Brew for that. If he get's some chances at centre for the Dragons next season, then Wales can consider it, but untill then he's not worth it. He deserves a shot on the wing though, no question.

Thing is though Roberts actually has a good pass ...

Knoyle- No, not up to this level. I'd go with Peel.
Stephen Jones- No, we know he can play, I'd give Robinson a shot.
Shane/North- Tough call. I think both would be suited for this match, but North is the newer player while again, we know what Shane can do.
Stoddart- His defence might have improved slightly, but still not international class. Unfortuntely, he might be out only Fullback for this match. As it is the Barbarians, perhaps.

I just wish we weren't giving caps for this. Should have been Wales XV.

In full agreement here, but may need to have Jones in the mixer if we go for an inexperienced backline.

Peel deserves a shot at the 9 jersey. He's better than Phillips and Peel has been ignored for too long now.
 
In full agreement here, but may need to have Jones in the mixer if we go for an inexperienced backline.

No doubt Wellies brings experience to the side, but Robinson is deserving of a chance and I think he could work well with Henson. Peel and Henson both could be considered experience, as well as Shane if he plays.

As far as Peel goes, another one deserving of a chance. Knoyle's form varies greatly and struggles beyond Magner's level right now.
 
No doubt Wellies brings experience to the side, but Robinson is deserving of a chance and I think he could work well with Henson. Peel and Henson both could be considered experience, as well as Shane if he plays.

As far as Peel goes, another one deserving of a chance. Knoyle's form varies greatly and struggles beyond Magner's level right now.

True that, could slot Jones on the bench mind or have Tovey / Robinson 10 and then the other on the bench.
 
Yeh, I think Knoyle's a good year or two away from where he needs to be on the international stage. He's got all the attributes, however can't string a run of good performances together. His pass can let him down aswell, but when he's playing like he did against the Blues last night (first half), he's very, very good. Last night he was a handfull around the base of rucks and linked well with those around him, both backs and forwards. His pass was also good. However he did go off the boil somewhat in the second half.

I'm not sure whether Steve should start or not. On the one hand, we all know what he offers, and we need to know once and for all who our backup 10 will be in the WC. However, it'll be his 100th cap, and if Peel and Henson plays, he knows both well. I'd probably start him, then depending on the score / how he's going, bring Priestland on in the second half.

For the Baabaa's game, I'd have no issue starting Stoddart at fullback. He played bloody well last night, showing great counter attacking play and a good clearance. However he wasn't really tested all that much in denfense. We know there's issues with his defense, both his tackling technique and positioning at fullback can be a bit iffy, but he offers a hell of allot in attack. I used to have issues with his selfishness, but this season, he's been making the right decisions most of the time, and has been passing much more. Considering the lack of options, he could very well feature at fullback.
 
Stoddart came off injured yesterday, don't know the extent.
Daniel Evans anyone?
 

He was good last season, but couldn't keep it up this year.
I think much of the criticism heading his way has been unfair and a bit harsh.
Priestland at 15 (you win, Olyy) and Tovey on the bench (I hope).

09 Peel
10 Robinson
11 Shane/George
12 Henson
13 Foxy
14 Brew
15 Priestland (Roberts first choice, Stoddart second)

20 Rees/Knoyle
21 Tovey
22 ? (Whoever is not at fullback; perhaps Fussell* or Bishop)

*Not the greatest outside back but his form this season merits a shot, even against the Barbarians.
 
Forwards: P James (Ospreys), J Yapp (Cardiff Blues), R Bevington (Ospreys), S Andrews (Cardiff Blues), H Bennett (Ospreys), R Hibbard (Ospreys), L Burns (Newport Gwent Dragons), A-W Jones (Ospreys), R Jones (Ospreys), L Charteris (Newport Gwent Dragons), L Reed (Scarlets), D Lydiate (Newport Gwent Dragons), T Faletau (Newport Gwent Dragons), J Turnbull (Scarlets), S Warburton (Cardiff Blues, capt).
Backs: M Stoddart (Scarlets), G North (Scarlets), A Brew (Newport Gwent Dragons), S Williams (Ospreys), J Davies (Scarlets), S Williams (Scarlets), G Henson (Toulon), S Jones (Scarlets), R Priestland (Scarlets), M Phillips (Ospreys), T Knoyle (Scarlets).
 
cyRil is officially dead now

Not a bad team though, good mix of experience and unexperienced
 
Wow ... not impressed.

How Mike Phillips and Huw Bennett are in contention is nothing short of appalling
 
Just noticed Peel isn't in there either,

On second glance it's not as good as I thought...
Could still put together a decent team from that lot though
 
Just noticed Peel isn't in there either,

On second glance it's not as good as I thought...
Could still put together a decent team from that lot though

Can't wait for cyRil reaction to Lou Reed.
 
Reading through that team I was quite impressed initially. Yes, Bannett is there, but so's Lloyd Burns, so I was thinking ok. Then I saw Mike Phillips' name and the lack of either Richie Rees or Dwayne Peel. WFT!!!!!! Beggers belief, really does, so we've now got two scrum halves there who are much of a muchness, with one being totally off form and incapable of getting a place in the matchday squad for the Ospreys in front of Nutbrown.

Apart from that though, I like the look of the squad. Nice to see Warburton captaining, there's such a massive future ahead of him, it's good to give him some responsibilities like this early and see how he goes. From that I'd expect a team like this:

01 Paul James
02 Richard Hibbard
03 Adam Jones
04 Alun-Wyn Jones
05 Ryan Jones
06 Dan Laydiate
07 Sam Warburton
08 Toby Faletau

09 Tavis Knoyle (hopefully)
10 Stephen Jones
11 Shane Williams
12 Gavin Henson
13 Jon Davies
14 Aled Brew / George North
15 Morgan Stoddart / Rhys Priestland

16 Huw Bennett!
17 John Yapp
18 Luke Charteris
19 Josh Turnbull
20 Mike Phillips!!!
21 Rhys Priestland / Morgan Stoddart
22 Scott Williams / Aled Brew / George North

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Can't wait for cyRil reaction to Lou Reed.

He'll have such mixed emotions. Ejaculating over Henson's involvement and screaming in anger over Lou Reed's all at the same time. Poor boys gonna be in a right sticky mess!
 
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Reading through that team I was quite impressed initially. Yes, Bannett is there, but so's Lloyd Burns, so I was thinking ok. Then I saw Mike Phillips' name and the lack of either Richie Rees or Dwayne Peel. WFT!!!!!! Beggers belief, really does, so we've now got two scrum halves there who are much of a muchness, with one being totally off form and incapable of getting a place in the matchday squad for the Ospreys in front of Nutbrown.

Apart from that though, I like the look of the squad. Nice to see Warburton captaining, there's such a massive future ahead of him, it's good to give him some responsibilities like this early and see how he goes. From that I'd expect a team like this:

01 Paul James
02 Richard Hibbard
03 Adam Jones
04 Alun-Wyn Jones
05 Ryan Jones
06 Dan Laydiate
07 Sam Warburton
08 Toby Faletau

09 Tavis Knoyle (hopefully)
10 Stephen Jones
11 Shane Williams
12 Gavin Henson
13 Jon Davies
14 Aled Brew / George North
15 Morgan Stoddart / Rhys Priestland

16 Huw Bennett!
17 John Yapp
18 Luke Charteris
19 Josh Turnbull
20 Mike Phillips!!!
21 Rhys Priestland / Morgan Stoddart
22 Scott Williams / Aled Brew / George North

Adam Jones not even in the squad :lol:
 
Adam Jones not even in the squad :lol:

Oh yikes. I just kinda assumed. Erm, Paul James or Yapp on the tight (possibly Andrews, but I don't think he's ready yet), and Bevington on the loose then (James if one of Yapp or Andrews is on the tight). Adam Jones is in great form, so I don't see any harm here finding out who'll be his understudy at the WC considering Mitchell will possibly miss out.
 

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