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Wales vs BaaBaas

I think a few missed tackles is not a good enough reason to ignore somebody that has been outstanding going forward.

Just like to point out to all, its not a problem that has appeared this season or even at out of the blue but its been a question that has been raised early on in his career to the present. Then again ill get shot down, of course he is a good player but this is one of the reasons why Gatland has not considered him in the past. Oh and Dunc guaranteed you won't be saying that when he misses the crucial tackle in the World Cup that cost Wales.

If I may, Darren Edwards has mentioned that Tovey's poor kicking lately is due to a new style, which will hopefully give him better range. His tactical kicking is fantastic, and has set the Dragons up for many tries (read Aled Brew).

His tactical kicking has been good was referring to his goal kicking ;)
 
Wales would be mad to overlook Stephen Jones' experience, and for me he should still be Wales's first choice, with Hook at centre

And the criticism of him being a poor attacker is just complete nonsense

does anyone remember when Hook first burst onto the scene in 2007, and Stephen Jones got a huuuuuge amount of stick, but who proved all those critics wrong and went onto to become a key part of the Wales team and first choice Lions 10 in 2009
 
His tactical kicking has been good was referring to his goal kicking ;)

I noticed. Just had to take the opportunity to heap praise on 'Our Jase'.

What it Wellies missed 'the tackle'? He has cost Wales victory a few times with his boot.
Not knocking him down, just comparing strengths/weaknesses.
 
I noticed. Just had to take the opportunity to heap praise on 'Our Jase'.

What it Wellies missed 'the tackle'? He has cost Wales victory a few times with his boot.
Not knocking him down, just comparing strengths/weaknesses.

Then he misses it ;)
 
Then he misses it ;)

Fair enough!

Then again, why debate this when there is one simple answer; one where we can lay our blame or heap praise upon...
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Two to six weeks?
Looks like Charteris could face the Barbarians then.
I wouldn't have picked Bradley for this match anyway, as we know what he can do.
 
Got to be Priestland - doubt it will though

Because he is not a fullback. He plays it for the Scarlets when Stephen Jones is fit, but it is not his best position. Jamie Roberts was an outside back early on in his Blues career, and earned his second cap there, I still think he is worth a shot.
 
Gatland could go with Preistland, Tovey, Fussell, Halfpenny or even Roberts there.

Please Warren not Stoddart :(
 
To be honest i wouldn't play a "complete" welsh side vs the babaas. Like everyones been saying, play the guys like Falatau and Tovey to see how they play against (arguably) the best players in the world. The game isnt a championship game, so what do we have to lose.
 
Because he is not a fullback. He plays it for the Scarlets when Stephen Jones is fit, but it is not his best position. Jamie Roberts was an outside back early on in his Blues career, and earned his second cap there, I still think he is worth a shot.

I know, I know
But I don't think he'll be put straight in at 10, so could work his way up from 15 - or at least be used on the bench
He needs game time in a Wales shirt otherwise he'll just be on the bench for a few times then eventually be dropped all together without being given a chance

If he doesn't start the match then I'd like to see him in either the 21 or 22 shirt and get at least 15-20minutes of game time at 10 or 15
 
I know, I know
But I don't think he'll be put straight in at 10, so could work his way up from 15 - or at least be used on the bench
He needs game time in a Wales shirt otherwise he'll just be on the bench for a few times then eventually be dropped all together without being given a chance

If he doesn't start the match then I'd like to see him in either the 21 or 22 shirt and get at least 15-20minutes of game time at 10 or 15

I think he'll get his shot.
His performances with the Scarlets have varied lately, but still worth a shot for Wales. (Probably off the bench as you said)

Anyone know how long Nicky is out for? Lee looks like he could be out, as previously mentioned, and with Hook getting married that day we will have to experiment at fullback.
11 Brew
14 North
15 Halfpenny?

12 Henson
13 Davies
15 Roberts?
 
Just like to point out to all, its not a problem that has appeared this season or even at out of the blue but its been a question that has been raised early on in his career to the present. Then again ill get shot down, of course he is a good player but this is one of the reasons why Gatland has not considered him in the past.

As I said further back in this thread, Tovey has been considered in the past. He was called up for the North America Tour in 2008 but couldn't go because the Dragons had a Heineken Cup play-off match.
To change the subject slightly, I'm looking forward to some of our young exciting players to test themselves against some of the best players in the world.

What match-ups are you lot looking forward to the most?

Assuming that Faletau gets the nod at 8 I can't wait to see him go up against Sergio Parisse, for me the best 8 in the world, what a battle that'll be.

Martyn Williams v Sam Warburton - This battle is very intriguing as both players have huge points to prove. Martyn Williams, the veteran who Gatland vowed to wrap up in cotton wool to keep him injury free for World Cup but then dropped him for the Six Nations will most definitely want to show that hes still got it and can still play a part in the World Cup. Sam Warburton, the young pretender who has been living in Martyn's shadow fora long time for the Blues but has now taken William's spot in the Welsh XV. I'm expecting big performances from these two and it should be very interesting to see who comes out on top. Personally I think Martyn William's style of play will compliment the Barbarians style of play perfectly and I think he will come out on top.
 
As I said further back in this thread, Tovey has been considered in the past. He was called up for the North America Tour in 2008 but couldn't go because the Dragons had a Heineken Cup play-off match.
To change the subject slightly, I'm looking forward to some of our young exciting players to test themselves against some of the best players in the world.

What match-ups are you lot looking forward to the most?

Assuming that Faletau gets the nod at 8 I can't wait to see him go up against Sergio Parisse, for me the best 8 in the world, what a battle that'll be.

Martyn Williams v Sam Warburton - This battle is very intriguing as both players have huge points to prove. Martyn Williams, the veteran who Gatland vowed to wrap up in cotton wool to keep him injury free for World Cup but then dropped him for the Six Nations will most definitely want to show that hes still got it and can still play a part in the World Cup. Sam Warburton, the young pretender who has been living in Martyn's shadow fora long time for the Blues but has now taken William's spot in the Welsh XV. I'm expecting big performances from these two and it should be very interesting to see who comes out on top. Personally I think Martyn William's style of play will compliment the Barbarians style of play perfectly and I think he will come out on top.

I honestly think Sam will come out on top, as he is the in-form flanker. Nugget hasn't been his best lately, and Sam looked outstanding in our backrow this year.

I am looking forward to John Hayes v Gethin Jenkins...

Lewis Evans, Luke Charteris, and Dan Lydiate were also heading out with Wales on the 2009 North America tour, but stayed for the same reason. I think Gareth Owen and Eifion were on their way as well, but suffered injuries.
 
Fair point about MW v SW. I just feel that MW has got more of a point to prove as a few months ago everyone assumed that MW was a certainty for Wales but then Warburton emerged and took his spot in the side and made it his own. I just feel the table has turned with respect to how the players are both viewed now, whereas before I think MW was more or a less a certainty for the World Cup and Warburton's place wasn't guaranteed its now the other way around. I think Williams will have an excellent game as he loves to throw the ball around as do the Barbarians and sadly we (Wales) have become all too predictable and boring lately.
 
I can personally see both players having good games, as they play quite different styles with Warburton's biggest strengths being his work over the ball and ball carying, and Martyn's main stgregths being his link play with the backs and ability to spot a gap.

In this game, I think Gatland needs to test a few inexperienced players (not too many), and re-introduce a few recently injured players back into the international fold. Therefore I'd go with something like this:

01 Gethin Jenkins (needs gametime to get back up to speed, if he's fit in time that is. Any news?)
02 Richard Hibbard (we all know what Matt Rees gives us. Hibbard has had limited gametime with Wales)
03 Adam Jones
04 Alun-Wyn Jones / Bradley Davies
05 Ryan Jones (see how Ryan goes at second row for Wales)
06 Dan Lydiate
07 Sam Warburton
08 Toby Faletau

09 Dwayne Peel (about time he's given a propper run)
10 Rhys Priestland / Nicky Robinson (Tovey's time will come after the WC)
11 Shane Williams (needs as much gametime as possible imo)
12 Gavin Henson (he must be tested. If he's sh*t, nothing lost, but if he's good, we've gained a quality player)
13 Jon Davies (we need him to make the step-up)
14 George North
15 Lee Halfpenny / Jamie Roberts

16 Matthew Rees
17 Paul James
18 Luke Charteris / Ian Evans
19 Josh Turnbull / Rob McCusker
20 Richie Rees
21 Stephen Jones
22 Jamie Roberts / Lee Halfpenny

I hope Gatland goes for Faletau at 8, as I'd love to see him up against Parisse. I said before that Faletau reminds me of Parisse considering how comfortouble he is both in ball carying and open field running, not to mention his work-rate. I'd then be tempted to give Ryan Jones a propper run-out at second-row to see how he plays in that position at international level. Ryan was back to form in the 6 nations, so he'd be good to have in the team to add some genuine experience alongside that very young backrow. Charteris or Ian Evans could then be brought off the bench.

I'm a little woried again about the options we have behind Adam Jones at tighthead. Craig Mitchell did a stellar job in the 6 nations, but he's gonna be in a race against time to be fit in time for the WC, and even if he is, he'll likely go in with no gametime under his belt. I don't think Scott Andrews is ready yet, as his scrummaging needs a lot of work. One for the future. I'd probably be inclined to use Paul James as backup tighthead and bring another loosehead into the squad (Ryan Bevington or Duncan Jones). I'd probably do that anyway and drop Yapp, even though Yapp was better than I thought in the 6 nations.

In the backs I think a new 10 needs to be tried. The options as I see then are Priestland, Robinson or Tovey. All three are capable, and all three have shown both excellent and not so excellent form this season. Tovey is the form man, but is it too close to the WC to bring another uncapped player into the squad? Is Robinson injured, anyone know for how long? Priestland has been in excellent form for much of the season, but has had a slight dip recently. I honestly don't really mind as long as it's not Biggar!!! I don't think Stephen Jones should start either. He's still our no. 1 ten, but we know exaclty what he offers, so now's the time to see who else can step-up for us. Peel should be given a propper chance at 9 to proove he's the man to re-ignite this Welsh backline by showing Gatland that a pondorous 9 like Phillips stiflies everything before it's even allowed to get going.

I see Gavin Henson as a must for this game. He needs to be tested, simply because the risks are worth it. If he performs, we've suddenly got a very good player back, who offer's an all-round game none of our other centres do at the moment. Davies probably comes closest, but he's failed to convert his regional form to the international stage thus far. For that reason, I'd also start Davies alongside him at 13, to see if he can finally make that step-up. Davies is also a prooven finisher who could thrive feeding off Henson inside of him, putting him into space.

I'd be tempted to play Shane on the wing. We need him in top form for the WC, and considering his recent injury lay-off that might mean giving him plenty of gametime pror to the competition. However if Gatland decided wrapping him in cotton wool is the way to go, I'd have no problem with that and giving Brew another shot on the wing with North on the other. Who do we play at fullback in Byrnes absense? I'd go with Halfpenny or Roberts personally. If Jones doesn't start at 10, we're probably going to need Halfpenny on the pitch to kick to the posts (although that's not hugely important in a BaaBaa's game). However I still think Roberts could be a great attacking weapon from deep, allowing him to choose where to enter the attacking line, and picking clever angles from deep. As others have said, there's always Priestland, Tovey and Fussell as options there aswell. I'm kinda glad Byrne is injured for this game, as Gatland is now forced to find a propper replacement instead of simply shifting Hook back to 15.
 
I'm kinda glad Byrne is injured for this game, as Gatland is now forced to find a propper replacement instead of simply shifting Hook back to 15.

Other than a few players I think that is a good side that you've picked Dull. I do think that Tovey should start at 10. I've watched the Dragons Blues game again today and he was outstanding as was Ashley Smith. I think Tovey will be involved after the World Cup anyway so I think he deserves his chance against the Barbarians, challenging himself against some of the best players in the world. Also I see you've mentioned Brew but I do think he deserves his opportunity on the back of his best season ever in the Magners League possibly instead of George North as we all know what he is capable of and I agree with you that Shane needs gametime to get sharpness and fitness back.
You are spot on with what you said about Byrne being injured and Hook getting married on the same day as the Ba bas game and it could really be a blessing in disguise.
 
Totally agree about fullback.
My original plan was not not even start Byrne, but this works as well.
Roberts starting on the wing for Cardiff this weekend, hopefully he will do well at outside back.

Still think Hook will be our first choice standoff, but it really depends on Gavin Henson.
I'd start Robinson at 10, as he has had good form all season, and then bring Jason on with 20 to go.
 

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