Wales v New Zealand

[TrueSlawter]

It was a bad "tackle" but as for powell being a thug as said at speed its hard to spot.. shouldve been caught but either way as ckell has said.. McCaw isnt the cleanest player either he plays the ref in regards to rucks etc

 

[Sam Owen]

Another try. seals the result but as i said before its still been a possative performance for wales.

Very positive Wales are a good side when they want to be, good try at the end from Byrne wouldve liked Tom Shanklin to score it as he played well. Had Wales had a try earlier it wouldve been interesting.

Well done to the ABs on their grand slam and a good season. Kaino was the man today, Toeava, Cowan and some good impact from the bench saw the ABs home.

 

[admartian]

It was a bad "tackle" but as for powell being a thug as said at speed its hard to spot.. shouldve been caught but either way as ckell has said.. McCaw isnt the cleanest player either he plays the ref in regards to rucks etc

It WASN'T a bloody tackle mate. Look. AT. IT. AGAIN! I've seen plenty of high shots, on and by ABs, and none that have been as appaling as that. That was pure malice. End of.

can't believe you pull out the whole "dirty cheat" bloody excuse people resort to. Sick of it.

But let's play that game - say he's a cheat at the breakdown, doesn't ******* hurt anyone like Welsh/Powell thuggery does it?

 

[cardassian]

Good game Wales.

 

[admartian]

Good game Wales.

Would've praised them for that performance. If it weren't for that sick excuse for a "tackle" (yeah right :lol.

Warburton played very well for them, and without typical NH penalties by Jones (couple with Carter's off day) kept them in it. Barely.

 

[TrueSlawter]

It WASN'T a bloddy tackle mate. Look. AT. IT. AGAIN! I've seen plenty of high shots, on and by ABs, and none that have been as appaling as that. That was pure malice. End of.

ANd I can't believe you pull out the whole "dirty cheat" bloody excuse people resort to. Sick of it.

But let's play that game - say he's a cheat at the breakdown, doesn't ******* hurt anyone like Welsh/Powell thuggery does it?

Thats why I put tackle in quotations to say I agree it wasnt it was stupid and dangerous. Also Im not saying its due to his rep of playing the ref at the breakdown.. Im just saying you cant say powell is a thug over 1 action.

Also as I said before you saw replays so you know it was high how.. did you see it when it was happening live?

As for playing the ref at the breakdown I never said its cheating and yeah it doesnt hurt anyone as in physical but it can be the difference between a win and a loss if he gets away with handling on the floor or whatever.

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

Scoreline flattered the Blacks a bit. They still deserved to win, but by 12 points? Probably not, however, that was eased a bit by Lee Byrne's try.

Good performance from Wales. Hopefully we can up it for England in January.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It WASN'T a bloody tackle mate. Look. AT. IT. AGAIN! I've seen plenty of high shots, on and by ABs, and none that have been as appaling as that. That was pure malice. End of.

can't believe you pull out the whole "dirty cheat" bloody excuse people resort to. Sick of it.

But let's play that game - say he's a cheat at the breakdown, doesn't ******* hurt anyone like Welsh/Powell thuggery does it?

Got to agree with this, but take a deep breath

In regards to McCaw at the breakdown, everyone should just do what the Welsh were doing in the first half - McCaw lies on the wrong side of the ruck - they shoed the f**k out of him. He didn't do that again anytime soon after :lol:

 

[woodward]

shouldve been caught but either way as ckell has said.. McCaw isnt the cleanest player either he plays the ref in regards to rucks etc

stupid comment.


as an aside do you actually know McCaw cheats at the breakdown or are you just going along with the undefendable yet unquestioned media dribble?

 

[admartian]

Thats why I put tackle in quotations to say I agree it wasnt it was stupid and dangerous. Also Im not saying its due to his rep of playing the ref at the breakdown.. Im just saying you cant say powell is a thug over 1 action.

Also as I said before you saw replays so you know it was high how.. did you see it when it was happening live?

Not saying it should've been called on the spot - just saying it was sick. Doesn't matter if it's once, or 30 times, shouldn't happen in the way he did it (i.e. got up all smug and un=remorseful afterward and quite proud of himself - meaning, it wasn't an accident).

Plenty of times, those types of tackles are accidents, and the offending player often looks remorseful. That was just plain headhunting.

Look, the issue isn't with you, or the Welsh team itself, so I don't even know why you're defending it...

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

I just hope Mike Phillips and Sam Whitlock don't find each other in the bar after the game...

 

[nickdnz]

Sorry to sound like a prat, but Allan Lewis should not be allowed to referee an international game again. He was terrible. His calls were inconsistant, and frankly one eyed. He penalised the hell out of the All Blacks, for things that Wales were doing in abundance, and the number off the ball crap the Allan Wyn Jones was involved in, was just ludacris. Andy Powell is a thug, the fact he showed no remorce for that tackle is disgusting, and to add insult to injury, Wales get the scrum. Honestly the worst refereed match of the year by a mile.

Now to the positives.

Wales looked like a much improved side, with Stephen Jones, Hook and Shanklin all looking good. The entire forward contest was a bit of a joke, considering the reffing, but overall the Welsh scrum went very well, and they were competitive in the break down.

All Blacks often looked scrappy. Managed to pull a win, out of what was an up hill battle. Hosea Gear keeps scoring the tries.

Kaino was amazing!

 

[cardassian]

Would've praised them for that performance. If it weren't for that sick excuse for a "tackle" (yeah right :lol.

Warburton played very well for them, and without typical NH penalties by Jones (couple with Carter's off day) kept them in it. Barely.

Agree that was bad, but doesn't mean the other 14 players don't deserve some praise.

 

[TrueSlawter]

Im not defending the tackle. im defending the labeling of powell as a thug.. everyone and I do mean everyone makes stupid decisions doesnt mean everyone is a thug.

 

[dullonien]

Proud of the boys, but increadibly disapointed. We lost that game when Lee Byrne missed that second kick to touch, you just felt all the momentum and pressure that was building just drift away, Gear scoring the try in the corner really did feel like a kick in the teeth. Why do they persist with having Lee Byrne kick to touch from penalties, he missed two today, and a few more in other games. The distance he get's isn't worth the risk, and the management really should stop persisting with him.

At one point I honestly thought we were going to win, not fussed that NZ scored a couple at the end, because it didn't make much difference.

I was very impressed with the entire forward pack from Wales today, really stood up well with Warburton again shining. JT was useless when he came on, and I'm not sure why they sub'd Lydiate. Backs were a bit pants though, with Hook having a nightmare game tbh. He showed all his bad parts of his game today, many of which are probably because he's not a centre. For the last couple of years I've believed his best position ws at centre, but he simply doesn't do the basics well enough. He seems unable to hold the defence, instead running across field cutting down any space out wide, and also just get's himself into trouble when he tries to dance his way through. We blew 3-4 try scoring opportunities today, just because for some reason we don't understand how to run straight, draw the defender and passed. Can't wait for Roberts to be back, because at least he understands how to run hard and fast at a nice angle. Shanklin did it well when he decided to in the second half, but should have been doing it all match.

I think our defense also deserves a pat on the back, well the defensive organisation anyway. NZ's second try was the only time our defensive line was poor all game, with Bradley Davies getting suckered big time. Great line speed, which forced NZ to kick much, much more than usual. We finally managed to get to Dan Carter (at last), and NZ's game dropped significantly because of it. Warburton outplaying McCaw also had a hand in that aswell. However, some our one on one tackling simply wasn't good enough. All of NZ's tries had elements of poor first up tackling from Wales.

Can't believe all the officials missed Powells high tackle on McCaw, swinging forearm and all! Expecting a few weeks suspension there. McCaw was obviously hurt, but luckily it wasn't any more serious.

 

[admartian]

Scoreline flattered the Blacks a bit. They still deserved to win, but by 12 points? Probably not, however, that was eased a bit by Lee Byrne's try.

Good performance from Wales. Hopefully we can up it for England in January.

Yes and no.

If you score tries, instead of you know, penalties, you deserve to win.,,

Got to agree with this, but take a deep breath

In regards to McCaw at the breakdown, everyone should just do what the Welsh were doing in the first half - McCaw lies on the wrong side of the ruck - they shoed the f**k out of him. He didn't do that again anytime soon after :lol:

Got it - it was just really awful. And if it weren't for the best player in the world p no cheat McCaw - just rubbing it in everyone :lol then that player would've been KO'd/seriously injured.

Seriously people, what do people think Opensides do? It's like getting mad at NH fly-halves for kicking penalties all the time. You can't, it's just in their nature.

stupid comment.


as an aside do you actually know McCaw cheats at the breakdown or are you just going along with the undefendable yet unquestioned media dribble?

THIS!

Look, it's real easy to build a case against the best - you're in the spotlight all the time. If we did to ANY other forward, we'd find that they'd be "cheats" too.

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

Andy Powell is a thug, the fact he showed no remorce for that tackle is disgusting

But then, it is Richie McCaw. 99% of flankers worldwide want to smack him in the chops.

I suppose if you have to be a thug, the best kind of thug to be is one that doesn't get arrested for starting a brawl, but drink driving a golf buggy.

 

[Sam Owen]

What cracks me up is Andy Powell, after the head high, carried on running to his team and didnt look back. LOL

 

[admartian]

I just hope Mike Phillips and Sam Whitlock don't find each other in the bar after the game...

Lol yeah. Would love to see that on PPV. Next UFC maybe. :lol:

Sorry to sound like a prat, but Allan Lewis should not be allowed to referee an international game again. He was terrible. His calls were inconsistant, and frankly one eyed. He penalised the hell out of the All Blacks, for things that Wales were doing in abundance, and the number off the ball crap the Allan Wyn Jones was involved in, was just ludacris. Andy Powell is a thug, the fact he showed no remorce for that tackle is disgusting, and to add insult to injury, Wales get the scrum. Honestly the worst refereed match of the year by a mile.

Now to the positives.

Wales looked like a much improved side, with Stephen Jones, Hook and Shanklin all looking good. The entire forward contest was a bit of a joke, considering the reffing, but overall the Welsh scrum went very well, and they were competitive in the break down.

All Blacks often looked scrappy. Managed to pull a win, out of what was an up hill battle. Hosea Gear keeps scoring the tries.

Kaino was amazing!

Probably the worst part about it too.

Agree that was bad, but doesn't mean the other 14 players don't deserve some praise.

True, fair enough.

Just real incensed about that "tackle" right now.

Im not defending the tackle. im defending the labeling of powell as a thug.. everyone and I do mean everyone makes stupid decisions doesnt mean everyone is a thug.

Agree to disagree. I have no problem in you thinking in contrary to the truth.

 

[Peat]

The really impressive thing about New Zealand at the moment is that when they need tries, they just seem to find them. Like that.

Not sure you can call the ref one-eyed towards Wales when he stared at Whitelock grabbing Philipps round the neck without doing a thing mind.