Wales v New Zealand

[dullonien]

Yes and no.

If you score tries, instead of you know, penalties, you deserve to win.,,

Hopefully that comment was said with tongue in cheek, because you can't deny Wales also tried to play plenty of rugby. Our finishing really cost us today, whearas NZ's was as clinical as it comes, but doesn't mean we played up the jumper stuff and relyed entirely on the boot. Scoreline certainly flattered NZ, but that's only because of our own mistakes and ineptitude.

Also, please let the high tackle go. Yes it was dirty, wheather of not it was on purpose, I don't know. But it's no worse in my book than Whitelock holding Phillips in a headlock for a good 20-30 seconds. Not as dangerous, fine, but he sure as hell knows what he's doing, and he also showed 'no remorse'! Powell will be diciplined because of the offence and will miss a few weeks of rugby.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Hopefully that comment was said with tongue in cheek, because you can't deny Wales also tried to play plenty of rugby. Our finishing really cost us today, whearas NZ's was as clinical as it comes, but doesn't mean we played up the jumper stuff and relyed entirely on the boot. Scoreline certainly flattered NZ, but that's only because of our own mistakes and ineptitude.

Also, please let the high tackle go. Yes it was dirty, wheather of not it was on purpose, I don't know. But it's no worse in my book than Whitelock holding Phillips in a headlock for a good 20-30 seconds. Not as dangerous, fine, but he sure as hell knows what he's doing, and he also showed 'no remorse'! Powell will be diciplined because of the offence and will miss a few weeks of rugby.

Although Wales looked fine with ball in hand, they were never able to hold it for much more than a few phases, so they were never threatening unless in our 22.

 

[admartian]

Hopefully that comment was said with tongue in cheek, because you can't deny Wales also tried to play plenty of rugby. Our finishing really cost us today, whearas NZ's was as clinical as it comes, but doesn't mean we played up the jumper stuff and relyed entirely on the boot. Scoreline certainly flattered NZ, but that's only because of our own mistakes and ineptitude.

It was.

Also, please let the high tackle go. Yes it was dirty, wheather of not it was on purpose, I don't know. But it's no worse in my book than Whitelock holding Phillips in a headlock for a good 20-30 seconds. Not as dangerous, fine, but he sure as hell knows what he's doing, and he also showed 'no remorse'! Powell will be diciplined because of the offence and will miss a few weeks of rugby.

Umm...no. Respectively though.

Here's why, you let **** like that go, it's dumb, and nigh on criminal. The headlock? Unless Whitelock is a black belt in Brazillian Jiu Jitsu or an All American/Olympic wrestler, that headlock isn;'t going to damage Phillips any more than an intense game of rugby already would have.

The attempted paralysing hit on the other hand, can, and has serious consequences.

Seriously, how can ANYONE defend this ****?

But then, it is Richie McCaw. 99% of flankers worldwide want to smack him in the chops.

I suppose if you have to be a thug, the best kind of thug to be is one that doesn't get arrested for starting a brawl, but drink driving a golf buggy.

"This statistic brought to you by 'BS Corporations - worldwide leader in making **** up'. And in association with 'Fully pulled that out of my arse because McCaw is that good, and perhaps his "cheating: is a bit overblown due to the fact he's so effective at many other aspects of the game besides the breakdown where we can nitpick because he doesn't play for our team' Industries.

The really impressive thing about New Zealand at the moment is that when they need tries, they just seem to find them. Like that.

Not sure you can call the ref one-eyed towards Wales when he stared at Whitelock grabbing Philipps round the neck without doing a thing mind.

 

[smartcooky]

Alan "Jobsworth" Lewis. Does he understand the word "consistency"?

► Brad thorn holds back back the Welsh lock, and penalty given fair enough.

► Welsh lock holds back Brad Thorn and throws him to the ground. NOTHING given, scrum Wales.

Then

► Brad Thorn makes a "high tackle", marginal but high, gets PKd.. fair enough

► Dan Carter cops a high tackle, much more dangerous than Thorn's. What happens. PK to Wales for some innocuous ruck infringement after the tackle

► Richie McCaw cops a late, deliberate and malicious coat-hanger, right in front of Alan Lewis (he would have to be "Blind Freddy" not to have seen it), and what does he give.... NOTHING!!!

On that last one, I am not exaggerating either. The Welsh player went in with intent, aimed high, and got him high. Then he got up afterwards and put on the 'macho" act while McCaw staggered around for a moment or two appearing concussed.

Definite

and I will be very annoyed if he isn't cited for that!!

Other stuff

The opening PK given against Hosea Gear as a result of Stephen Jones' Oscar-Winning dive was pure jobsworth.

He is also very slack on the offside Law at the ruck. Outsides backs are being allowed a head start and that is shutting the game down.

I am really ****** off with Lewis, and you cant accuse me of sour grapes. The All Blacks won by plenty, five tries to one, but this idiot has had an absolute shocker today, and he has ruined this match by turning into the Alan Lewis show.

 

[nickdnz]

Hopefully that comment was said with tongue in cheek, because you can't deny Wales also tried to play plenty of rugby. Our finishing really cost us today, whearas NZ's was as clinical as it comes, but doesn't mean we played up the jumper stuff and relyed entirely on the boot. Scoreline certainly flattered NZ, but that's only because of our own mistakes and ineptitude.

Also, please let the high tackle go. Yes it was dirty, wheather of not it was on purpose, I don't know. But it's no worse in my book than Whitelock holding Phillips in a headlock for a good 20-30 seconds. Not as dangerous, fine, but he sure as hell knows what he's doing, and he also showed 'no remorse'! Powell will be diciplined because of the offence and will miss a few weeks of rugby.

Or Alan Wyn Jones grabing Thorn in a head lock from behind, and throwing him to the ground, when he was not even in play.

Alan "Jobsworth" Lewis. Does he understand the word "consistency"?

► Brad thorn holds back back the Welsh lock, and penalty given fair enough.

► Welsh lock holds back Brad Thorn and throws him to the ground. NOTHING given, scrum Wales.

Then

► Brad Thorn makes a "high tackle", marginal but high, gets PKd.. fair enough

► Dan Carter cops a high tackle, much more dangerous than Thorn's. What happens. PK to Wales for some innocuous ruck infringement after the tackle

► Richie McCaw cops a late, deliberate and malicious coat-hanger, right in front of Alan Lewis (he would have to be "Blind Freddy" not to have seen it), and what does he give.... NOTHING!!!

On that last one, I am not exaggerating either. The Welsh player went in with intent, aimed high, and got him high. Then he got up afterwards and put on the 'macho" act while McCaw staggered around for a moment or two appearing concussed.

Definite

and I will be very annoyed if he isn't cited for that!!

Other stuff

The opening PK given against Hosea Gear as a result of Stephen Jones' Oscar-Winning dive was pure jobsworth.

He is also very slack on the offside Law at the ruck. Outsides backs are being allowed a head start and that is shutting the game down.

I am really ****** off with Lewis, and you cant accuse me of sour grapes. The All Blacks won by plenty, five tries to one, but this idiot has had an absolute shocker today, and he has ruined this match by turning into the Alan Lewis show.

Agree 100%. Lewis was shocking, and I am still actually angry about this match. There was enough heart and talent in this match, that it could have been really great, but the level of inconsistancy and what almost seemed bias, really ruined much of the game for me.

 

[admartian]

I find it slightly disturbing that people are willing to play the "cheat' card in order to excuse/draw attention away/red-herring/shy away from the seriousness and gravity of that 'action' by Powell. It wasn't even an "attempted tackle". It was just **** poor "thinking" and a lot of sour ******* grapes.

 

[admartian]

Or Alan Wyn Jones grabing Thorn in a head lock from behind, and throwing him to the ground, when he was not even in play.

Great takedown in my opinion. Judo would be proud...

 

[dullonien]

Not defending the actual high tackle here. It was bad and deserved at least a yellow. However, he's not the first player to have done something like this, and it's almost impossible to judge intent (although as cooky points out above, it appeared delibriate). I seem to remeber Carter putting in a bad high tackle in the corresponding fixture a couple of years back. The main problem I have with Powell's hit, is that he also used a swinging forearm imo, coupled with the fact it was high is damning evidence. 2-3 weeks is probably about right, considering recent incidents.

Edit. I may need to take another look at this match, but from first viewing I don't think Lewis was biased atall. He missed plenty for both sides, and again allowed NZ to get away with a sh*t load at the breakdown. Why don't ref's pick up lazy players, that simply stand in the way offside at ruck time, because I thought NZ did it constantly (the reason Alun-Wyn Jones took out Thorn, although I missed the headlock). Seriously, if you're standing on the wrong side of a ruck, expect to be taken out. So basically what I'm saying, is that again Allan Lewis missed things for both teams, honestly didn't think Wales got off lightly (again bar the high tackle).

 

[TrueSlawter]

I'd rather drop the whole thing as it will never end tbh and just settle with NZ were the better side on the day but Wales had lots of posatives from today (apart from that short passage)

One final thing though, you can label anyone who has been sanctioned as a thug.. which includes players from all over the world including new zeland...

 

[Sam Owen]

Alan "Jobsworth" Lewis. Does he understand the word "consistency"?

He's as mystifying as that old 80's 90's TV drama, Twin Peaks. Maybe its his grey hair . He often goes to town on the ABs when it comes to penalties, Ive seen him do it before.

Kaino played brilliantly today but Jerome was no saint either. He was just as bad as Andy Powell (whos actions still crack me up). At the start of the game Kaino blows over Welsh fullback Lee Byrne and when both players were on the ground Kaino then punches Byrne in the face. Byrne lay on the ground for awhile and no-one picked it up except for probably me.

 

[dullonien]

Ah Byrne probably deserved it lol. He winds me up something cronic, so no wonder he wound up Kaino aswell . Byrne always takes cheap shots at opposition players, so he was only getting some of his own medicine. Kaino was epic today.

 

[nickdnz]

Not defending the actual high tackle here. It was bad and deserved at least a yellow. However, he's not the first player to have done something like this, and it's almost impossible to judge intent (although as cooky points out above, it appeared delibriate). I seem to remeber Carter putting in a bad high tackle in the corresponding fixture a couple of years back. The main problem I have with Powell's hit, is that he also used a swinging forearm imo, coupled with the fact it was high is damning evidence. 2-3 weeks is probably about right, considering recent incidents.

Yeah, Powell's tackle was bad, but the fact of the matter is, if the referee was any good it either wouldn't have happened, or it would have been punished then and there. I think that's what gets people. Carter's tackle was hardly in the same league, his was a desperate tackle, which slid up high -



Powell's was more like something from WWE.

All credit to Wales, they put on a good show, against what is a very good All Black team. It's the referee which ruined it for me.

 

[Sam Owen]

One final thing though, you can label anyone who has been sanctioned as a thug.. which includes players from all over the world including new zeland...

Powell was a thug and so was Kaino.

 

[nickdnz]

Powell was a thug and so was Kaino.

I saw the punch, and it looked like nothing but trying to milk a penalty. Both Kaino and Byrne were on the ground and as Byrne was ontop of Kaino when Byrne was trying to get up. He hit Byrne with a clenched fist but on the palm, rather than the knuckles, and Byrne looked around to the touch judge, before clenching his face in extreme pain. It looked like nothing to be honest, but I'd need to see the replay. I wasn't imediately convinced. Regardless, I'm not trying to make the AB's out as saints, it was the ref which was terrible.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone will be over Powell's tackle by 2015

 

[dullonien]

nickdnz. Don't get me wrong, wasn't even trying to say that Carter's high tackle was anywhere neer as bad as Powell's today. Carter's was obviously a mistake, and somethign which happenes in a physical game of rugby now and again. Tbh, not sure why I brought it up, forget about it.....

Maybe Powell would make a good wrestler. He looked the part before he got his hair cut aswell, flowing blonde locks seem to be the haircut of choice in the wrestling community.

 

[Sam Owen]

I saw the punch, and it looked like nothing but trying to milk a penalty. Both Kaino and Byrne were on the ground and as Byrne was ontop of Kaino when Byrne was trying to get up. He hit Byrne with a clenched fist but on the palm, rather than the knuckles, and Byrne looked around to the touch judge, before clenching his face in extreme pain. It looked like nothing to be honest, but I'd need to see the replay. I wasn't imediately convinced. Regardless, I'm not trying to make the AB's out as saints, it was the ref which was terrible.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone will be over Powell's tackle by 2015

Yeah Ive seen Allan Lewis give the ABs a rough ride in the past. Hes a good reff in other games but when it comes to the ABs hes somethin else. Seems to always favour the underdogs.

Oh I didnt see Byrne trying to milk it, I only caught a quick glimpse of it.

 

[smartcooky]

I wouldn't call Lewis biased, at least, he is not biased against NZ, but he does have a distinct tendency to referee just one side; usually the visiting one.

If you asked the Aussies about the 2008 Hong Kong test, they will tell you that Lewis reffed them off the park

Same with the Boks at Eden Park this year, we definitely got the "rub of the green" in that match.

I have seen him in a number of Heineken Cup and Magners League matches in the last few years, and he seems fine in those, but I just think he is not up to International standard any more.

 

[admartian]

I saw the punch, and it looked like nothing but trying to milk a penalty. Both Kaino and Byrne were on the ground and as Byrne was ontop of Kaino when Byrne was trying to get up. He hit Byrne with a clenched fist but on the palm, rather than the knuckles, and Byrne looked around to the touch judge, before clenching his face in extreme pain. It looked like nothing to be honest, but I'd need to see the replay. I wasn't imediately convinced. Regardless, I'm not trying to make the AB's out as saints, it was the ref which was terrible.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone will be over Powell's tackle by 2015

Didn't see the milking. I thought at first that Kaino shoved him out of the way (at the head), and when I saw the Welsh player on the ground, i thought it was a punch.

nickdnz. Don't get me wrong, wasn't even trying to say that Carter's high tackle was anywhere neer as bad as Powell's today. Carter's was obviously a mistake, and somethign which happenes in a physical game of rugby now and again. Tbh, not sure why I brought it up, forget about it.....

Maybe Powell would make a good wrestler. He looked the part before he got his hair cut aswell, flowing blonde locks seem to be the haircut of choice in the wrestling community.

Powell, Heaslip, and Botha, and Kaino should make the very first MMA//rugby gym.

Heaslip = Muay Thai
Botha = Dirty Boxing
Powell = Wrestling
Kaino = Boxing

:lol:

 

[smartcooky]

FWIW I though Wales were flattered by the final score.

No penetration in the backs, no ideas on attack. Reduced to increasing their score 3 points at a time, some from highly questionable penalty decisions by Lewis

If Carter hadn't had a bad day with the boot (left 13 points on the field), it could have been 50.

Five tries to one (and the one came at the end when the game was gone) tells the story more accurately IMO.

 

[cyRil]

Cooky, I think you're a self-opinionated so-and-so who loves the sound of his own keyboard, but you are spot on there sunshine.