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Wales Summer Tour 2012

Why does this always happen? I was looking forward to heading to Aus with a good chance to of making some waves out there, and possibly winning a series. Now all of a sudden, we've lost our two starting centres (well it looks that way anyway, and possibly our third choice as well if Scott Williams doesn't make it). On top of that, there's a decent chance that we won't have our captain, and arguably our most influential player! This always seems to happen after a successful year, and I'm a little worried now.

Roberts and Davies = awesome.
Beck and Davies = excitingly good
Beck and Williams = decent, but inexperienced
Beck and Hook/North = Hmmm, could be good, could be bad.
Henso...... nah I'll stop there.

We do have some decent depth in the centres at the moment, but most teams would struggle to lose their starting pairing + backup centre. I'm hoping JD2 is fit.
 
Why does this always happen? I was looking forward to heading to Aus with a good chance to of making some waves out there, and possibly winning a series. Now all of a sudden, we've lost our two starting centres (well it looks that way anyway, and possibly our third choice as well if Scott Williams doesn't make it). On top of that, there's a decent chance that we won't have our captain, and arguably our most influential player! This always seems to happen after a successful year, and I'm a little worried now.

Roberts and Davies = awesome.
Beck and Davies = excitingly good
Beck and Williams = decent, but inexperienced
Beck and Hook/North = Hmmm, could be good, could be bad.

We do have some decent depth in the centres at the moment, but most teams would struggle to lose their starting pairing + backup centre. I'm hoping JD2 is fit.

well at least it's not an injury to Gethin Jenkins or Hair Bear, that has happened far too often over the past couple of years

I wouldn't mind seeing North at centre one day, but I would rather the Scarlets tried him there first or Wales tried him there against the Barbarians before Australia, but unfortunately that match is going to be just a complete B team, and no room for experimenting different combinations of the first team

he could also perhaps be tried there against Argentina or Samoa in November perhaps, but not yet vs Aus, unless perhaps we go 2-0 down and there is a third dead rubber match

Hook was a very good centre for the Ospreys, his fend was very strong, and he was quite good for Wales in combination with Roberts one 6 Nations as well, I would have kept that combination longer, and not bothered with him at full back (it was a Hook injury that allowed Halfpenny to come to the fore after being a bench player since North arrived, should have been tried earlier as Hook is an okay-ish full back but wasted there and Byrne was in poor form last season)

looking forward to Beck playing these matches though, a clever sort of player and could possibly compliment Roberts or Davies in combination more than the Roberts and Davies combination, could add an extra dimension to the attack
 


Hook in midfield would be fine. He would allow some relief for Priestland and the option of a kicker.
 
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The way Martyn said "Ha, yeah, we'll see what happens" When asked about his 100th cap on Scrum V today suggests that Rob Howley might be feeling slightly sentimental when picking his Baa-Baas squad...
 
The way Martyn said "Ha, yeah, we'll see what happens" When asked about his 100th cap on Scrum V today suggests that Rob Howley might be feeling slightly sentimental when picking his Baa-Baas squad...

I honestly would love to see him get 100 if any player deserves it no one more than Martyn Williams does he gave everything for Wales during the tough times aswell as the good.
 
I honestly would love to see him get 100 if any player deserves it no one more than Martyn Williams does he gave everything for Wales during the tough times aswell as the good.
+7.

Undoubtedly one of the greatest we have produced. Gave nothing less than 100% every match.
 
Howley said they're picking a 34/5 man squad for all 5 games (Presumably the meat of the team playing the Baa Baas being flown out to play the midweeker against the 'Tahs), and with that in mind, I'd go for...

Props: Gethin Jenkins, Adam Jones, Ryan Bevington, Craig Mitchell, Paul James, Rhodri Jones, Rhys Gill
Rhodri Jones has been included in the last few extended squads, and has been playing well lately, so deserves his inclusion. otherwise picks itself. Bevington & Mitchell to start against the Baa-Baas, Geth and Adam the tests.

Hookers: Ken Owens, Matthew Rees, Richard Hibbard
I feel Ken should be our first choice going to Australia, to be honest- he's playing far better than Matthew Rees, and Hibbard would probably be in ahead of Bennett even if he wasn't injured. I'd start him against the Barbarians and see how he goes.

Locks: Alun Wyn Jones, Ian Evans, Luke Charteris, Bradley Davies, Aaron Shingler
Including Shingler as a second row just to balance out the numbers here. Ryan'd also cover, although we seem to have plenty of depth in the second row, suddenly. When did that happen? Tempted to tart Charteris over Evans, despite Six Nations form.

Back Row: Danny Lydiate, Sam Warburton, Toby Faletau, Ryan Jones, Justin Tipuric, Martyn Williams
Sam could apparently make the Baa Baas game. So let's either bench him or playing at 6/8 with Shingler at blindside. We all know who has to start at 7 for that match... Shame no other number 8s are really putting their hands up at the minute, as we could probably do with someone other than Ryan (Who's covering every single position) to take the load off Toby.

Scrum Half: Mike Phillips, Rhys Webb, Lloyd Williams
Webb should be above Lloyd on form, and hence should start against the Barbarians, if he plays well, he wins the bench slot. Simple as. Tav could yet fight his way back into contention, too. He looked sharp when he came on at the weekend.

Fly Half: Rhys Priestland, James Hook, Dan Biggar
Biggars playing well. There's no more too it. Although I feel Hook probably deserves some gametime at 10, so he'd be my pick for the 2nd of June, but he could yet find himself covering the centres once they fly out to Australia.

Centre: Jonthan Davies, Scott Williams, Ashley Beck, Adam Hughes
Hughes is an outside bet, chosen only because he's finally coming back into form, is young, can play wing and I needed extra numbers. Foxy may yet recover, so if Howley's anything like Gatland, that means he'll start every match, then aggravate his injury and sit out the next six months. Beck should start regardless- In absolutely cracking form.

Wingers: George North, Alex Cuthbert, Harry Robinson/Andy Fenby/Aled Brew
Fenby's the form man at the minute, and so I feel he may be worth a shot, but I've spent so long thinking he wasn't good enough that I feel apprehensive to pick him, especially as he isn't getting any younger (Still only 25, mind). Brew is Brew, and Robinson probably doesn't deserve a call-up, but is THE FUTURE. I'll see what the professionals have to say on the matter and then probably agree.

Fullbacks: Leigh Halfpenny, Liam Williams, Lee Byrne
Liam Williams has been terrific lately, and has moved above Byrne in my eyes, and could yet find himself playing on the wing. (Even though I don't really like him as anything but a Fullback) I'd give him a go at 15 against the Baa-Baas and see how he goes.
 
It's between Hook and Beck for the 12 shirt for me. Therefore, Biggar at 10 v Barbarians. Shingler should only play in the backrow, probably at 6 with Tipuric/Williams at 7. We might need Andy Powell at 8, as Ryan is guaranteed into the full 22 and needs a rest. Fenby or Brew... No thanks.
 
I'm not keen on Fenby either, and Brew is Brew, just not quite good enough. I really have no idea who to take on the wings other than North and Cuthbert. I'd be tempted to take Martyn Thomas as well, and use him, Liam Williams, Byrne and Halfpenny all as wings / full backs depending on injuries etc. with Halfpenny starting the tests at 15. We really are short quality wingers, and some of the players I thought would have been pushing for places (Eli Walker, Kristian Phillips etc.) haven't progressed well at all. When is Dirksen Welsh qualified? I'm not hugely keen on stealing him from the USA, but at the same time, he's gonna be one hell of a player, and I'd find it hard to feel too bad for too long if he ends up playing for us.

Rest of the squad you've picked Draggs is spot on. I don't agree with your comment about Charteris starting above Ian Evans. Evans has arguably been the best second-row in Europe of late, he fully deserves to be one of the first names on the team-sheet at present. The Ospreys lineout has been faultless of late, and a lot of that is down to Evans imo. He's also re-introduced the steely presence into the Ospreys pack that's been missing in his absence. He was outstanding for Wales during the 6 nations.

At hooker, I agree that Owens should be regarded as our no. 1. I'd also have Hibbard above Rees as well at the moment. Hibbard has been in fine form, and by all accounts has shifted some weight down to a level where the Ospreys and Wales are happy with. He's an excellent scrummager, has been throwing in to the lineout well, and is a real presence around the park. He's a good ball carrier, and he's been scoring tries to boot.
 
Could easily see Bishop going after some decent performances for the Ospreys.
 
Hibbard is a big lad still, but it hasn't caused him any problems lately.

Still not sure about Bishop. Perhaps bring him on the tour and maybe a bench spot v Brumbies, but he has a way to go before returning to his 2010 form.

Looks like the WRU have prepared our backline for the next decade:
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I'm not keen on Fenby either, and Brew is Brew, just not quite good enough. I really have no idea who to take on the wings other than North and Cuthbert. I'd be tempted to take Martyn Thomas as well, and use him, Liam Williams, Byrne and Halfpenny all as wings / full backs depending on injuries etc. with Halfpenny starting the tests at 15. We really are short quality wingers, and some of the players I thought would have been pushing for places (Eli Walker, Kristian Phillips etc.) haven't progressed well at all. When is Dirksen Welsh qualified? I'm not hugely keen on stealing him from the USA, but at the same time, he's gonna be one hell of a player, and I'd find it hard to feel too bad for too long if he ends up playing for us.

You say Brew isn't quite good enough, but he has a better record at regional level than all of the other potential touring wingers to take as a back up to play midweek so why would they be likely to do any better?

Brew has a good attitude as well and could be quite good to have around the touring squad (unlike Tom James)

I don't agree with your comment about Charteris starting above Ian Evans. Evans has arguably been the best second-row in Europe of late, he fully deserves to be one of the first names on the team-sheet at present. The Ospreys lineout has been faultless of late, and a lot of that is down to Evans imo. He's also re-introduced the steely presence into the Ospreys pack that's been missing in his absence. He was outstanding for Wales during the 6 nations.

Ian Evans should be the #5 for sure
 
I quite like Brew, and would be reasonably happy for him to get another chance really. He's had quite a few already though, and maybe he'd simply not able to make the step-up. Some players simply can't, in the same way as some player can't make the step-up to regional rugby despite carving up the premiership (Kristian Phillips definitely comes to mind here). But considering the shortage of wingers at the moment, I don't see why Brew can't be given one more shot.

Forgot about Dunc's pick of Adam Hughes. I'm not sure about that one. Not sure he's got the all round game for international rugby, especially his defensive abilities. I feel the Dragons centres have been a bit of a weakness for a while, with no-one really playing out of their skins. Ashley Smith has shown moments of class, but injuries have halted much of that. Bishop has regained a little form, and is always a rock in defence, so maybe he's a good option for the moment.

Lol at the North picture Draggs.
 
Still not sure about Bishop./QUOTE]
You're not sure about Bishop but advocate calling up Ashley Smith and the like??
Where did I suggest Ashley Smith here?
Bishop is improving, he looks good outside Beck, and the Ospreys backs are actually doing something now.

Brew is good for us but he has proven time and time again he is not international class.
 
Bishop's a safer bet than Hughes and should probably go based on the dirth of centres at the minute, especially if Foxy doesn't pull through. However, I just like a pacey 13, and think that he's the closest we've got in Wales, and perhaps could be worth a shot in the midweeker. Not sure where the defensive concerns come from, his tackling is rock solid, and puts in more big hits than a man of his size really should be allowed to. (Admittedly, he's been doing this less than he did whilst still being used on the wing) He's developed a kicking game lately, and if he continues to rebuild form, as he has over the past three or four weeks, I think he's definately worth a look. I doubt he'll ever be good enough to start above the likes of Roberts and Davies, whereas Beck probably could, but it's worth trying to build as much depth as possible when we've got two extra relatively fruitless games.

Adam Warren is another name I could throw up, although I feel he needs more gametime for the Scarlets first. Shame we haven't seen as much of Nick Reynolds as I'd've liked this season, but there we go.

And I can certainly see the Evans argument, but Charteris' World Cup form > Ianto's Six Nations form for me. I would not in any way, shape or form disagree with Ian Evans starting the three tests.
 
It's Ianto's shirt right now, as far as I see it. He didn't put a foot wrong all Six Nations (no stupid penalties) and played every minute of our campaign. It's between Charteris and AWJ for the other shirt.

Hughes is improving, and his goal kicking could really be an asset for Wales. His defence is a worry at times, but he has been shifted between 13/14 for the past two seasons.

One I want to see a bit more of is Owen Williams of Llanelli. Played 10 most of the season but moved to 12 for Wales U20 and now for the Turks. Seems a decent sized player would could be a playmaking 12. Whatever happened to Owen Williams of Cardiff? Went off with the sevens last year. I had heard some good things about him: big pacey centre/wing.
 
Warburton could be out... just as i expected. I wonder who'll be next Jenkins, Adam Jones?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17849046

On current form i actually reckon Martyn Williams is 3rd choice 7 behind Warbs and Tipuric. I wonder if they'll give Martyn a send off against the Ba-bas, i personally hope they do. Rumours are that they'll be flying the test team out to OZ early.
 
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Navidi called up to the Baa Baas... With Tipuric presumably set to play all 3 tests, does this open the way for Martyn to play against the Barbarians and then as Wales' second 7? If Warburton's out, we've got virtually nobody else (Turnbull hasn't been playing there, but would probably be the next pick)
 
Rob Howley is supposed to be at Rodney this week to take a look at Lewis Evans and Adam Hughes.
Lewis has been in great form this season, really taking to 7 well. Despite our issues elsewhere in the side, our backrow has been quite good, dominating the Blues and I think getting the better of the Ospreys.

Shingler simply has to start at 6. He could develop into a 7 for the Turks, but I am banking on Daniel Thomas coming through. Shingler to 6 and McCusker or Murphy at 8.
 

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