Because it's not your own? Ok.
No, because it's so far removed from any kind of reality.
Because it's not your own? Ok.
I'd argue a slight cultural thing here I wouldn't expect to kill and animal on a survival weekend, possibly gut and prepare one but that would be outside.It was a physical and emotional challenge in which every member had to overcome something that they didn't want to do. If as part of the exercise we had to catch, kill and prepare our own food (providing none of us were vegetarians) - then that is also a team building exercise.
Again I think if players really objected to killing the animals - despite the hypocrisy - then they shouldn't have been forced to do it. But realistically it was a Podcast in which Hamilton exaggerated something for the sake of making it a good/gory story, which the media extrapolated out of the original context to get the biggest story out of it as possible, and people who love moral outrage decided to take as gospel.
But anyone who has ever played years of rugby can attest to (which at a guess I would say is no one who is negating this has played any rugby at senior level), often team exercises have less to do with the practical skills of rugby, and more to do with getting familiar, or comfortable or to strengthen the unity of the team. How that is achieved can depend on the coaches methods - and if a coach asked me to do something which I morally object to I wouldn't do it, but the reality is that what was asked of players was to partake in an outdoor survival course - and part of surviving outdoors is catching, killing, preparing and eating your own food. I think if people don't buy into the ridiculous levels of hyperbole involved in the article, there is nothing there which isn't unreasonable. Again, does anyone actually believe that if this was a fishing trip - there would be any objections?!
By that definition they are also coerced into waking up early and training really hard in pre-season.
Even worse, they might actually lose their job over it.
I think the crux is you point that a carnivore should be prepared to kill their own meat. Other than fishing, I've never killed anything for the pot and it's not a task that I would relish, but as long as I was able to do so as humanely as a qualified professional, I would consider myself a hypocrite if I refused to do so. It appears that other people disagree. Based on my moral compass and any way I try to rationalise it, I can't understand why. IMO the reason that the thread isn't progressing is that nobody is willing or able to explain to people with out opinion why you're not a hypocrite if you are prepared to eat meat but not to kill it yourself.
Hamilton dampened down the claim saying he got "carried away". In two tweets, Hamilton said: "Guys, my comments on recent podcast shouldn't be taken seriously. Got carried away, certainly no rabbit slamming or orders to kill!
"Font Romeu survival session with French Marines v educational, so apologies to give wrong impression, all exaggerated for laughs I'm afraid
As to Fish there's hypocracy everywhere on that front. Plenty of vegetarians will eat fish in this country. We have stringent humane killing laws on livestock but we're quite happy for Fish to suffocate to death. I agree with you on principal comepletely but reality in a lot of people minds is radically different.
That's because you are there's no explanation out of it.IMO the reason that the thread isn't progressing is that nobody is willing or able to explain to people with out opinion why you're not a hypocrite if you are prepared to eat meat but not to kill it yourself.
Still same issue in my book plenty won't eat Lamb Chop because he's fluffy but happy to eat Fish. It's riddled with hypocrisy in my book.Only those who have never come across the term pescatarian!
All that said it's besides the point a bit, as players were almost certainly not forced or coerced to kill the animals. People are painting some kind of bizarre Milgram experiment scenario, which certainly wasn't the case.
This all comes down to you taking the stance that asking a meat eater to kill something in order to eat is is unreasonable... yet you can't actually explain why, without resorting to "well, like... that's just my opinion, man".
No international rugby or domestic rugby make European forum users go something something.....This. I mean, five pages of arguing about something that probably never happened...
I must take off my hat to Jim Hamilton, thats stirring of the highest order.
Who regularly eats Rabbit meat?If the person regularly eats dog meat, then yes.
If the person regularly eats dog meat, then yes.
If the person regularly eats dog meat, then yes.
Nope not even close.
okay i think i know what my problem is,
is rabbit something that is commonly eaten in britain?