TRF EA Rugby '06 NZ Tournament

[Gay-Guy]

Thats great work Woosah...we all appreciate the sacrifice you are doing to make this happen. Thanks a million.

Just a query.....when bringing a Wellingtonian woman home from the clubs....are they comfortable having action with over a dozen guys in the same room? :lol:

So are you set up to record the semis and finals so we can post those videos for other TRF members to see how it all went?

 

[C A Iversen]

Sounds awesome Woosaah!

We've got our flights booked (you probably already know from dave), and are really looking forward to this.

I GG's finishing touches to the rules sound good as we did need some definition to the solution. We now need to make sure we have match referee's covered.

One per match? I'd imagine it won't come up too often, but we might need them.

 

[danny_bullen]

like GG alternatives too - but means that its up to a match official to make the right call - so if it is going to be ruled by match officials i think to be fair they should be non-competitors, this way they cant hamper the outcome of the tournament by calling in favour of friends etc.

Still think we should just leave early dive tackle etc in - both have equal opportunity to make the dive tackles, and try and counter

 

[CeeJay]

You cant counter a early dive from behind. I think that no officials are needed, if someone calls a foul, then they pause the game, and anyone not currently playing can hav a look at the replay and the majority rules. Gives us losers something to do.

 

[C A Iversen]

Yes, CJ I'm with you on that one too!

 

[danny_bullen]

getting very tricky then to police it id say, and if because that is a glitch that the computer lets happen then what will we do about the grubbered/kicked ball that the fullback cant pick up when no-one is around him? this has happened numerous times and more often than not results in a try. Surely this would be deemed unfair and can we request a ruling from the match official for when it happens also?

 

[C A Iversen]

Yeah, but mind you thats not something a player is doing to you, it's part of the programming that says that sometimes a fullback will make a mistake.

Where it is a little bit unfair at times, it's not really exploitation of what was programmed for. The tackling a player without the ball one is a bit for wilful or likely to have been done wilfully.

I'm only trying to average out the general consensus of opinion, to be honest I'm not worried about the early tackle thing at all.

If you draw the defender in close enough, you can pass at a point that's too late for the tackler to move to the next player and tackle early.

I'm happy with the rulings so far, but only because I'm not afraid of the early tackle technique at all anyway.

We are all doing an IRB as far as I can tell, and are about to pull the game apart to it's smallest components and put it back together again.

Dave and I have been learning how to early tackle, and it's just a case of anticipating someone doing it and holding on to the ball. Then they can't do it.

You can't do two things at once, they can't tackle the ball carrier and the receiver.

 

[danny_bullen]

yeah but programming in a mistake like the fullback missing it and the fullback not being able to pick it up at all after running over it twice are two different things - i recall in the first vids that locksley put up AUS v NZ that AUS had punted down field - nearly the whole NZ team ran over the ball but none would pick it up.
My argument is that there are alot of glitches in the game, so lets just go with it and play as it is. No person or persons should be deciding if its fair or not, it just happens.

With the penalty kick thing you can control it because it is not during hte running play of the game its only during a penalty stoppage. So we can say - no kicks further out than 60m.

Im all for leaving the game as is and implementing the 60m penalty kick rule.

 

[dobrien7]

Haha we're all making this very official aren't we! Think everyone's heart is in the right place by negating the opportunity for someone to moan about having being beaten 'illegally'. Another variant is when a kick is put through, the kicker quite often gets tackled when not in posession, are we policing that too?

I agree with Danny that no long range penalty that turn into taps, otherwise let it go. Being the first annual TRF tourney, I'm sure we'll have the odd thing that needs ironed out for next year, what about play as is and then review it and make concrete rules for next time? I'm in the 'lets see how we go' boat here...

IF early tackle appears to be a big problem, then use I'm sure we could revert to what GG offered (although he seems to be the one who can expertly do early tackles hmmm...)

 

[C A Iversen]

Originally posted by dobrien7@Jun 15 2006, 06:37 PM
Haha we're all making this very official aren't we! Think everyone's heart is in the right place by negating the opportunity for someone to moan about having being beaten 'illegally'. Another variant is when a kick is put through, the kicker quite often gets tackled when not in posession, are we policing that too?

I agree with Danny that no long range penalty that turn into taps, otherwise let it go. Being the first annual TRF tourney, I'm sure we'll have the odd thing that needs ironed out for next year, what about play as is and then review it and make concrete rules for next time? I'm in the 'lets see how we go' boat here...

IF early tackle appears to be a big problem, then use I'm sure we could revert to what GG offered (although he seems to be the one who can expertly do early tackles hmmm...)

"You can't please all of the people, all of the time".

Not quite quoted....but close enough.

 

[dobrien7]

Um, yeah... we've got best part of 4 months to go yet, no doubt everything will be sorted and sweet by then

 

[C A Iversen]

Ummmmm....yeah yourself

I'll let you guys sort out the rules, I think I'll just play to whatever is in the final handbook. :lol:

As long as this doesn't get down to the kind of debates where people are saying "Well, if you read page 4, paragraph 2, under subsection A, you'll plainly see that the penalty for that particular offense is to pass the ball out so your opposition can have the ball, as also further highlighted in the section regarding when and when not to pause the game" etc. :lol:

I look forward to the court cases after every game.

 

[woosaah]

we need a judicary

ohh that tackle was big, give him 3 games suspension



jkin btw since we will likely be using different team

 

[dobrien7]

Originally posted by C A Iversen@Jun 15 2006, 09:06 PM
Ummmmm....yeah yourself 

I'll let you guys sort out the rules, I think I'll just play to whatever is in the final handbook.  :lol:

As long as this doesn't get down to the kind of debates where people are saying "Well, if you read page 4, paragraph 2, under subsection A, you'll plainly see that the penalty for that particular offense is to pass the ball out so your opposition can have the ball, as also further highlighted in the section regarding when and when not to pause the game" etc.  :lol:

I look forward to the court cases after every game. 

Which is why I think let it go and see what happens may be better than 'you can only do this or that', may put some people of coming to play.

Some good ideas are coming through though, good to see people are trying to cover most bases, just hope we don't go overboard with it

 

[CeeJay]

Id be happy to leave the early tackle thing as it dosent happnen that often, BUT if someone decides to use it as a common tactic, it ruins the game.

 

[kinkon89]

Originally posted by CeeJay@Jun 15 2006, 09:32 PM
Id be happy to leave the early tackle thing as it dosent happnen that often, BUT if someone decides to use it as a common tactic, it ruins the game.

its hard to pull it off on multiplayer...wouldnt find it as a problem..

one and only rule we need!!!!

NO SPOILING OF OTHER CONTROL PADS!!!!

and whoever does it...AUTOMATIC DISQUALIFICATION!!!....and everybody gets to slap him on the ass with a paddle!(great fun)

but seriously my brother does that to me....i hate it!!!

 

[Gay-Guy]

With the early tackle debate....I think people are not too anti it because they don't really realise how much of a problem it is. Those who do it deliberately can be really kill the game. It really ruins everything and can force people into negative play.

The fact of the matter is those who are good at it can at anytime play a whole game without doing it. It is a matter of choice when they do play negatively and start tackling early.

This would be as far as I can see the one main spoiler in the game.

 

[Gay-Guy]

I would like to suggest a comp rule change.

Half length....ten minutes.

Much better chance of making a comeback than that shotgun 5 minute half game. We have started playing ten minutes nowadays and the game is much more enjoyable......it ain't over till its over has a new meaning with ten minute halves as you can score 3 quick tries and still lose. 5 minute halves do not let you have the chance to comeback.....also with ten minute halves you always feel like you have played an actual game (if you know what I mean)

 

[danny_bullen]

GG i dont think anyone changed it from the 10min half we both suggested on post page 10 anyway. But incase, i too believe 10min halves are the best option.

 

[woosaah]

yeah i just went back and had a look and it has been the 10 min option all the time was on page 6 of mine (i think i ahve 40 posts per page or something rediculous like that)

but good stuff gg