Transfers rumours

[Patchey]

Maybe we could see Irish or Welsh making a move for Morgan want with Noakes being injured all the time.
Lam well he is a huge hitter can see clubs lining up to sign him if he does go.
Perenise i'm not sure as well.
But that is if they have contract clauses.

Morgan is also a mile better than Noakes. It's a no brained to sign another ten as far as I'm concerned.

Gordon Ross Ian getting any younger and his kicking hasn't been great in the knock out stages. So yeah, Welsh would be a good fit for Morgan too.

If forgotten about Lam. Can't see him wanting to play second tier at all.

You've hit the nail on the head regarding contracts. Obviously Ryan Jones is the only new guy to have gone their early so he's the only one we know who doesn't have a release clause. I can't imagine some of them wouldn't though, it's a big risk to take signing for a side who may not go up.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Could definitely see LW making a move for Morgan, if he has a get-out clause.

Jones could well have a release clause - just because he's gone there early doesn't mean he doesn't have something that says if they fail to win promotion he doesn't have to stay.
That said, I can't see it.

 

[Patchey]

Could definitely see LW making a move for Morgan, if he has a get-out clause.

Jones could well have a release clause - just because he's gone there early doesn't mean he doesn't have something that says if they fail to win promotion he doesn't have to stay.
That said, I can't see it.

Yeah I guess so. We're all going to find out fairly soon.

As an aside, Worcester are going to have to battle to get back into the Premiership next year. Should be a great contest.

 

[welshglory]

It's not jelousy, really.

The whole point of the cap is to ensure that clubs are on a relatively level playing field monetarily.
If a club is spending a large amount of cash directly on their players outside the cap (which trips to New York and African Safaris are) then that is effectively cheating the cap.

I'm not really offended by it - but it's one of the draws for players and it is only possible because you have a very rich backer.
This is also ignoring the numerous allegations of (several) clubs cheating the cap in the more traditional way.

So if a club is putting money into their training facilities and medical team does that count as well in your eyes? Wherever the line?

Unless it's direct cash or gifts like cars etc... There is nothing wrong with team bonding exercises and work experience imo.

 

[saryboy86]

I agree if the rfu believe why they are doing something morally wrong which they aren't they are abusing by the guidelines if people believe the guidelines are wrong that's tough really sarries make it an attractive place to go and very family orientated and just goes to show players don't just think about how much salary there getting each year! But each to their own

 

[SelimNiai]

From what I understand all the signings we have made will still be contracted Bristol players but have "loan" clauses

 

[welshglory]

Didn't the chairman say that they were looking to develop the squad even if they didn't reach the premiership

 

[ratsapprentice]

Unless it's direct cash or gifts like cars etc... There is nothing wrong with team bonding exercises and work experience imo.

saryboy suggested that having Rupert as a backer made no difference to who they can attract because they still fall under the cap.

I was just explaining how it does make a difference - sending an entire team (30-40+ people) on holiday to Africa and NY is a significant amount of money.
It's one of the things that is possible when you have $7billion~ in the bank - and the types of work experience a man like Rupert can offer in the city are clearly going to be different to that which most clubs can offer.

Although I would say training grounds and medical staff are different - because they are essentially workplace upgrades - not player bonuses.
But yes the amount of money an owner can spend outside the cap matters - Farleigh house is clearly going to help in recruiting players to Bath.

 

[saryboy86]

Well there lies the point outside the cap there are no rules to say they can't do that if they can afford to why not you look at how bath are recruiting players now burgess being the most high profile also Gloucester with hooks recent singing and Hibbard I'm sure all the teams have ways of attracting players outside the cap people just seem to like focusing on sarries and watch Irish now they've got wealthy backers they will do the same I'm sure

 

[ratsapprentice]

You've misunderstood my point, and taken it as an attack on Sarries.

 

[SelimNiai]

Didn't the chairman say that they were looking to develop the squad even if they didn't reach the premiership

Yeah, guys like Peel, Lemi, Jones either have confirmed or insinuated theyre playing come what may. Think people have been massively underselling the Championship, whilst I'd be surprised (and majorly chuffed) to see Lam for example play for us in that league, its still a good league that is mega compeitive and its getting better year by year. I despise the fact we're still in it though

 

[saryboy86]

No I totally understand your point and where your coming from just speaking in General when other clubs complain about it that's all. I believe the rfu should give the clubs certain funding maybe or come up with other ways to help clubs compete with the French league as they want to keep all their top players in England

 

[Peat]

The RFU currently offers funding in the shape of the EPS agreement and payments for a certain percentage of EQ players throughout the season. They also offer English clubs a huge competitive advantage in keeping potential English internationals through the non-selection of foreign based players.

I'm not sure what else the clubs want and I'd be curious as to what they'd offer in return for it.

 

[goodNumber10]

saryboy suggested that having Rupert as a backer made no difference to who they can attract because they still fall under the cap.

I was just explaining how it does make a difference - sending an entire team (30-40+ people) on holiday to Africa and NY is a significant amount of money.
It's one of the things that is possible when you have $7billion~ in the bank - and the types of work experience a man like Rupert can offer in the city are clearly going to be different to that which most clubs can offer.

Although I would say training grounds and medical staff are different - because they are essentially workplace upgrades - not player bonuses.
But yes the amount of money an owner can spend outside the cap matters - Farleigh house is clearly going to help in recruiting players to Bath.

I don't think that is any different to any other professional environment where you are given non-taxable "perks" of the job.

As long as they are not being paid over the salary cap then I honestly don't see there is a problem - it's for other clubs to build their brand/get a backer to get themselves in the same position. The important aspect is the Salary cap, as it does underline everything - and ultimately people are selfish and want more money.

if people are getting taxable perks then they should be accountable.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I don't think that is any different to any other professional environment where you are given non-taxable "perks" of the job.

The key difference being that this is sport - not chartered accountancy - it is not primarily a business.


As I said - I am not saying they can't do it... it was simply a rebuttal of the idea that having the richest owner does not advantage them in any way.

 

[goodNumber10]

The key difference being that this is sport - not chartered accountancy - it is not primarily a business.


As I said - I am not saying they can't do it... it was simply a rebuttal of the idea that having the richest owner does not advantage them in any way.

No of course it does, but it's not an unfair advantage - it's an avenue that is open to all clubs.

 

[Tony Manx]

The key difference being that this is sport - not chartered accountancy - it is not primarily a business. As I said - I am not saying they can't do it... it was simply a rebuttal of the idea that having the richest owner does not advantage them in any way.

I think you are wrong in saying is sport not primarily a business! Top rugby is definitely a business and if it is not run as a business, you die!

Biarritz is a classic example of that where you have a well loved icon running the club with blind loyalty to and from the staff and supporters together with reward for service to the club with appointments to positions in the club they have no training or aptitude for are the bywords yet it is those very things, plus incompetence, that has seen the club being rescued from financial disaster and relegated.

I also understand that "perks" such as holidays generated as a result of your employment are in fact taxable as the Revenue treat them as part of your remuneration from your employment. Certainly hospitality "beanfeasts" have to be declared and are taxed....

All this would, of course, be more open were the RFU to insist, like the LNR in France, that clubs should publish their overall budgets for each season and then we would see the disparity!

 

[saryboy86]

I didn't say it doesn't benefit us in anyway just when it comes to the salary cap as all clubs have the same budget in that respect! Obviously the other perks you refer to the trips etc yea he plays a big part but that's a luxury we have nothing wrong with it but I do agree with you it is primarily a sport not a business but it would be silly to think business doesn't play a very big part in modern day sport a lot more so now a days just the way things are

 

[ratsapprentice]

If you can't understand intuitively how the entertainment industry (music, film, sport etc.) isn't primarily a business then there is no point in trying to explain it.

 

[goodNumber10]

If you can't understand intuitively how the entertainment industry (music, film, sport etc.) isn't primarily a business then there is no point in trying to explain it.

if you can't understand sport is not the same as the creative arts......