EPS Form Watch

[Ragey Erasmus]

How long is England's injury list now for each position?

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

How long is England's injury list now for each position?

1. Marler?
2. Hartley
3. -
4. Launchbury?
5. Kruis?
6. Williams
7. Haskell, Jones
8. Clifford
9. Care?
10. Farrell
11. Watson, May
12. Tuilagi, Te'o?
13. -
14. Nowell
15. -

May have missed some.

Props: 1 maybe
Hookers: 1
Locks: 2 maybe
Back Rows: 4
Scrum Halves: 1 maybe
Fly Halves: 1
Centres: 1, 1 maybe
Back Three: 3

8 injured
5 maybes

 

[Peat]

Thanks Which. I feel like you might have Metres Run and Runs Made the wrong way round with Burns though.

 

[Which Tyler]

Updated now we're done with the first batch of Prem games; and 1/4 of the season gone...

Bath (I know you all care deeply) 2016/17​

Current EPS (+ those to keep an eye on) 2015/16​

Current EPS (+ those to keep an eye on) 2016/17​

 

[Which Tyler]

Thanks Which. I feel like you might have Metres Run and Runs Made the wrong way round with Burns though.

I got a few bits wrong, which is why I deleted and came back to it.
Happy to correct any other mistakes anyone's notices.

 

[FLOBALOB]

I got a few bits wrong, which is why I deleted and came back to it.
Happy to correct any other mistakes anyone's notices.

Wouldn't it be more informative to give line-outs won as a % ,like the kickers. As a number it means very little.

 

[Which Tyler]

Wouldn't it be more informative to give line-outs won as a % ,like the kickers. As a number it means very little.

No, because the figures don't work that way.
In previous years ESPNscrum gave lineouts won and lineouts stolen to the catcher - with no information on how many lineouts that player lost.
This year they seem to be giving lineouts won to the thrower (with no information on how many lineouts thrown) and lineouts stolen to the catcher.
I can find team stats on %age per match, and probably on sheer numbers; but they'd be regardless of whether the hookers have been replaced, or whether it's a fully formed lineout, or the FB throwing to himself.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

No, because the figures don't work that way.
In previous years ESPNscrum gave lineouts won and lineouts stolen to the catcher - with no information on how many lineouts that player lost.
This year they seem to be giving lineouts won to the thrower (with no information on how many lineouts thrown) and lineouts stolen to the catcher.
I can find team stats on %age per match, and probably on sheer numbers; but they'd be regardless of whether the hookers have been replaced, or whether it's a fully formed lineout, or the FB throwing to himself.

You would have thought you could split it into lineouts won/lost as thrower/catcher to give a better indication, if not wholly accurate.

 

[Every Time Ref]

Crap like this is the problem with stats available to the public - not enough detail, and easily misinterpreted by lazy thinkers (not accusing anyone here, general point)

I've got to say I'm not a great believer in laymen using stats to analyse rugby

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

Jonny May returns for Gloucester against Bayonne. His first game since breaking his leg over a year ago.

Fingers crossed it's not a Cipriani style injury that's taken his pace away.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Farrell back and suddenly Sarries are playing like the ABs. Well for a half anyway. Hugely impressed with him and most of the rest of Sarries England contingent. Real shame that he'll almost certainly be stuck in at 12 again.

If Hartley doesn't hit his straps in the same way when he returns from injury, its not a huge leap of faith to see Farrell captaining and George in the starting XV.

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I've got to say I'm not a great believer in laymen using stats to analyse rugby

For laymen read anyone, particularly coaches who should trust the evidence of their own eyes more. The variables in rugby are too numerous for many stats to be meaningful, but I can see they might be a lot more use in sports like baseball, cricket or even gridiron which are stop start.

Apart from over use of the video ref, the banks of coaches laptops are about the most depressing sight in the game.

 

[Hulkster]

Every back row apart from kvesic will be injured.

It is fate

I think if Kvesic was the only fit back row player... we'd finally see a call-up for Steffon Armitage.

 

[Which Tyler]

Current season, Premiership rugby only (adding international stats is a pain in the backside - so I'll wait until the AIs are done, then ad them in.

Bath's (total, not averaged out)

Oh yeah, and last season's too, it hasn't changed, but apparently I deleted by mistake

 

[BPM]

Jack Clifford is back and starting for Quins on Sunday.

I thought he might be moved to 6 with Chisholm at 8, but we've gone for the opposite.

Chisholm's form was good enough that we didn't really miss Clifford so he's got some work to do to re-establish himself as first choice IMO, particularly when Robshaw is also back after the AIs.

 

[Which Tyler]

 

[ALJ]

That's very comprehensive but I find it confusing (except the kicking - I understand the kicking).

 

[Which Tyler]

All raw stat are the players total, divided by their minutes played, multiplied by 80 to give an average per match.
So, for example JJ has scored 4 tries in 589 minutes, or just-under 8 matches; so averages 0.54 tries per match.

Try assists are whatever ESPN counts,which I think is last touch of the ball before the try scorer.

Is that what you mean? Or am I answering the wrong question?

The big stats are things like tackle success rate, or metres per run, which... do what they say they do

 

[Every Time Ref]

Every time you put these up I tell myself I'll have a good long look, and every time I realize I'm too lazy! I really under appreciate stats if I'm honest, although I stand by my assertion that they frequently obscure as much as they show (tackle % is a great example), if you have the patience to interpret them carefully they do have a lot to offer. Metres per run sounds like a useful one actually, I don't think I've seen that used before but it could be revealing.

 

[ALJ]

Is that what you mean? Or am I answering the wrong question?

That's what I meant, thanks.

It's interesting stuff - if anything it illustrates the skill and judgement of the coaches as you need the right mix for a balanced side.

 

[Peat]

You have Burns' runs made and metres made reversed. Interesting to note he's beating more defenders than anyone else; wonder if he'll come back in at some point particularly while he's making the case to be the only other regular kicker of the right quality available.

I'll have to look more in depth at the rest later.

Which, if I were to suggest doing one of these for the U20s, how hard would you punch me?