The Ukraine War thread

[McTallshort]

I am not suggesting that he has broken any laws or violated the constitution but then again, Hitler came to power legally. Yes, Putin and his 98% vote record when he controls everything is not legitimate. Not sure what I said that implied that I thought Putin was legitimate.

I am just saying that if he were to want to stay in power, failing to end the war would give him that ability.

Why has he offered to step down in return for NATO membership then?

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It seems from the responses that Zelensky has been put on some pedestal that no one should dare to question him or his motives. Trump is not using a war to stay in power, in four years he will be out and does not have martial law to eliminate political parties. If he can get mineral concessions for the money and equipment we gave them then good. Having America with a vested interest in those minerals might help guarantee their security from Russia better than anything else. We then have much more vested interest in what goes on there.

Putin, he's running an old-school KGB style operation there. He somehow gets 98% of the votes and has the system so rigged there is no opposition. Never defended Putin.

Your reasons for questioning his motives are baseless, no amount of strawman arguments and red herrings will change that. You have made an assumption, whether you believe it or not, that Zelenskyy's reasoning for not holding elections in a warzone fighting an aggressive power with a history of election tampering is corrupt rather than him having an incentive to fight for and protect his country.

This criticism of Zelenskyy has roots in Trump's call with Putin, so you're not defending Putin but you are endorsing his propaganda.

Do you honestly think an election makes any sense for Ukraine right now? How could it be done fairly and to include all displaced Ukranians? How could it be done wothout heavy Russian interference? How could it be done and not distract from the effort to protect the country and resist the invading power?

 

[Which Tyler]

Sealioning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Amongst many other

 

[General Melchett]

Tangoman gets calmly dismantled by a world leader using facts. They're already calling him Dementia Don in the comments section. Disinformation Don also works well IMO.

 

[McTallshort]

Well done Macron. Proper statesman and Trump missus fancies you

 

[Saintjay]

Well done Macron. Proper statesman and Trump missus fancies you

That's because she's still a European at heart.

 

[AlRums]

I am not suggesting that soldiers on the front line go vote, although the US military voted during World War 2 and they were spread out literally around the globe as they did in Korea and Vietnam but I understand the difficulties in the displaced people voting and how that impacts it. The extensions of martial law I know, prevent the election but my question was, is that a possible reason that Zelensky may not want the war to end? He went from being a relatively obscure comedian to the president of one of the most corrupt nations in Europe who people still did not really know until the invasion and this seemingly stalemated war would be a way to keep himself in power as the martial law is continued as well as the international celebrity status that he has had. This was not a question of his numbers vs Trumps but simply a reflection of where he stands in Ukraine.

Also what in my logic suggested that we should have let Germany keep France or anywhere else? My point was that if they had elections, is there the possibility that those areas would vote to leave the Ukraine or his level of support there cause him to lose the election.

No one on this site knows what is in his heart/head. He is not this combination of Churchill, Ghandi and Jesus that people have made him out to be. He is human and as a result flawed and not immune to temptations and corruptions.

So what about all those in the occupied zones? Do you expect the Russians to setup/allow polling stations to allow voting, or would that be under sniper fire?

What's his previous occupation of being comedian got anything to do with it?

Remember you voted in an actor in the 80s, one you republicans kneel at the mention of his name.

Edit: just to add, Churchill, I assume you've heard of him, he was a reporter in his younger days.

 

[AlRums]

Oh don't try that "asking the question" bullshit, that's the old fox news trick to spread lies under the flimsy guise of seeking "truth" and is so transparent. Why are you so selective in the questions you ask eh? You don't seem too fussed to ask questions about Putin or Trump do you?

You ask if he's exploiting a crisis whilst his ******* country is being invaded!? Are you sick in the head or something!?

You are a weapons grade ******.

I notice you again don't ask if Trump is trying to exploit a crisis, again.

Trump is very much trying to exploit the war with his demands.

 

[AlRums]

Again, when did Zelensky become this saintly figure that I dare question? Also are you able to have any conversation without bringing Trump into it? I was asking about Zelensky

Your disapproval of Zelensky started when trump started to rail against him.

 

[AlRums]

Interesting that you menion those three conflicts. In all three America had the support of Allies. Russia and China have never been true allies of America and I think they would do well to remember that. Other than the war of independence has american ever fought a war on it's own

I do feel sorry for Zelensky tbh, poor sod can't get out of this conflict citing bone spurs

Maybe that's why the US is so upset over Ukraine. Little guy going toe to toe with the big military power reminds them of Nam.

As a historical fact, the US hasn't won a war in 120 years on their own (Spanish American War, 1898) where the USS Maine was "mysteriously" blown up in Havana harbour, ala similar sketchy circumstances used in the Gulf of Tonkin incident, they've had help in everyone.

Unless you count Grenada where 300+ million invaded a country of 25,000

 

[McTallshort]

Interesting that you menion those three conflicts. In all three America had the support of Allies. Russia and China have never been true allies of America and I think they would do well to remember that. Other than the war of independence has american ever fought a war on it's own

I do feel sorry for Zelensky tbh, poor sod can't get out of this conflict citing bone spurs

Maybe that's why the US is so upset over Ukraine. Little guy going toe to toe with the big military power reminds them of Nam.

America never fought the war of independence on it's own. The French provided them with full military and financial support.

 

[AlRums]

It seems from the responses that Zelensky has been put on some pedestal that no one should dare to question him or his motives. Trump is not using a war to stay in power, in four years he will be out and does not have martial law to eliminate political parties. If he can get mineral concessions for the money and equipment we gave them then good. Having America with a vested interest in those minerals might help guarantee their security from Russia better than anything else. We then have much more vested interest in what goes on there.

Putin, he's running an old-school KGB style operation there. He somehow gets 98% of the votes and has the system so rigged there is no opposition. Never defended Putin.

Forgotten this?

Donald Trump repeats controversial ‘You won’t have to vote any more’ claim

Republican presidential nominee denies threatening to stay in office after end of possible second term in Fox interview

www.theguardian.com

 

[AlRums]

America never fought the war of independence on it's own. The French provided them with full military and financial support.

I wonder how much France should charge them for all the aid and materials?

 

[Saintjay]

America never fought the war of independence on it's own. The French provided them with full military and financial support.

Every day is a school day.

Wow, how bad have you got to be at the art of war if you need to rely on the French.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

America never fought the war of independence on it's own. The French provided them with full military and financial support.

The civil war?

 

[AlRums]

The civil war?

A war essentially about racism (slavery)

As an aside, the war that mush has had on social security about older people has an interesting what if...

The last remaining recipient of a civil war pension only died in 2020 aged 90.

The civil war ended in 1865 which appears to be a bit of a gap.

It turns out, daddy, survived the war claimed his pension 20 years later (1885).

Daddy was a bit of a stud and didn't have his daughter until he was 83!!! (I assume he liked cowgirls)

Irene Triplett, last person to collect an American civil war pension, dies at 90

Daughter of private who fought for both sides and had children in his 80s lived for years in a North Carolina nursing home

www.theguardian.com