The Review Thread of RWC 2011

[Mario]

CVG recently released a preview of Rugby Challenge and mentions EA's RWC lol

With 2 rugby union games coming out at roughly the same time, it is unsurprising that any preview or review for one of the ***les would mention the other. It is perfectly reasonable for a reviewer to raise as a point of comparison or interest for readers - moreso than bringing Madden or FIFA into the mix certainly.

 

[Leinster+]

So now a fair and valid opinion also known as the truth is not allowed on this forum because you're all so ****** off that you backed the wrong horse. I read somewhere on this thread that RWC had a low budget. It said on the sidhe forum that they had a lower one and look at the work of art they created there. This game took 2 and a half years + to be made while it took RC only 18 months. Im only saying this because I'm ****** off at people saying untrue **** that they had a low budget or its GONNA be good if we buy it and then just look at RC.

 

[TRF C A Iversen]

Yes. And you could also argue that there's a feeling that we should ignore all of its problems and treat it as if "oh, at least it's a new Rugby game that's finally coming out".

No-one has suggested that people should "ignore all of it's problems". It's problems are three things, less licensing, less competitions and a perceived lack of evolution in gameplay and graphics from Rugby '08.

Maybe someone could try and argue that people are being told to like it anyway, but no-one who likes RWC is saying that people who don't are fools or that they are wasting money buying Rugby Challenge or that they are stifling Rugby Challenges future, but honestly that's being said about Rugby World Cup. All people are suggesting is that if you don't like it, go focus attention on what you do like. Help build it up instead of tear something else down.

You say there's information out there on the internet, which is true, yet you also say people shouldn't leave criticism as well?

Constructive criticism sure, but that's not whats been happening.

Ignoring negative aspects of the game is not going to change the game itself, nor is it going to help HB make a better game in the future.

Civilised discussion about the perceived negative aspects of the game along with suggestions on how they could go about fixing and correcting them has never been in question. Also, it's never really been a focus for most of the posters. Why not? And why just type something like "your game sux RC will rule" as we've been seeing from some.

I agree, a lot of people are hating on the game obsessively and that isn't good, but what I would say is that it is, by and large, stemmed from disappointment with this game rather than fanboyism, or an irrational love for RC.

And you get that by seeing that nearly every single thing said to criticise it is concluded with "go look at Rugby Challenge" or that "the people from HB Studios should all lose their jobs"? Not fanboyism? Wow, surprising what must qualify today.


Finally, after saying all that. Which game am I looking forward to the most? Rugby Challenge. And I have no problem saying so.

 

[Leinster+]

Bored of talking to the wall now so just once more from me...08 -> Rwc gameplay advancements- improved rucking control and strategy (nearest man option etc)- pick and go- pinching ball when opposition forwards don't show up instead of surreal wait for attackers to catch up and form ruck in 08- chip kicks- quicker tap grubbers that actually work at more realistic speed- significantly harder hard mode by all accounts- guard control for defender so you can line up tackles more realistically- fringe defence for rucks near try line- online playNOW...if you think that is not sufficient gameplay improvements from a sports game from one iteration to the next, or not comparable to the level of expansion from one version of FIFA to the next then fair enough. I don't agree and think the changes above will fundamentally improve the realism and fun of the game. Online in particular is a game changer.Yes there are less licenses and teams, due to a combo of no EA money and sidhe getting the clubs. In reality how many teams do you play as online in FIFA? For me - probably the top 5 teams in the game and that's about it.So yes I'm sad clubs aren't in, but I still have as many teams as I'd use in FIFA to play with here (nz,oz,Sa,Irl,Wales,England,France)For all of this, I am 110% buying this game.I'm also buying rc to see how that is,and to have somewhere I can play as munster. Thus far I can say nothing comparable to the list above for rc besides online as they've not graced us with a demo so I can't wait to see how that plays and hope its as good as the rc fanboys are praying for it to be.Thank you and good night.

Now instead of listing the 'improvements', list the faults. That'll take up about 5-10 pages.

 

[Dizzy]

wow why did my post get deleted?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Go on then Dizzy supply the names of the TRF Staff along with the evidence ...

People should get off our backs and stop attacking us, we have done nothing wrong and to be fair we have been critical towards RWC. To have a rant at us is slightly unfair, if you want to direct it ... direct it at HB and not TRF ... some have forgotten TRF has not produced this game.

 

[Leinster+]

I am fairly surprised that my posts haven't been deleted since they were far worse than dizzys. Well there's always a first for something.

 

[Dizzy]

Sorry Cymro, My intentions weren't to offend any of the TRF staff directly. I just had so much anticipation built up for RWC 2011 to be this great next-gen game and then I got the demo and my hopes and dreams were splattered all over my tv screen, I was furious.
Then to read the review and certain peoples defensive reactions when junior members were saying they agree with the review infuriated me more. And even worse, because we are so critical of RWC 2011 we are being labelled fanboys which isn't right at all.
Then I got thinking back to the leaked gameplay footage, when certain members were criticising it's flaws they were never labelled RWC fanboys so I felt a bit of hypocrisy in that area.

I apologise for offending you with that comment, But as a staunch gamer who has been waiting for the release of this game for so long only to be highly dissapointed I had to get some frustration off my chest.

Edit: in the deleted post I did aim it at HB for asking us for our opinions oand have us wait months for Q & A's only to release a poor product. Again, I apologise for my offence

 

[TRF C A Iversen]

wow why did my post get deleted?

Because I or any of the other staff are not going to be accused of bias and that we'd rate any game with PS1 graphics as awesome.

Your frustrated? Try dealing with what I put up with every day on here, plus organising rugby gaming comps and getting nothing out of it but abuse and accusations.

I'm just a normal guy waiting to buy both games. HB or Sidhe have done nothing for me personally and my opinions are straight down the middle honest. Any more unprovoked attacks on TRF staff are likely to lead to bans. It's starting to go too far and get too personal now.

 

[Dizzy]

Because I or any of the other staff are not going to be accused of bias and that we'd rate any game with PS1 graphics as awesome.

Your frustrated? Try dealing with what I put up with every day on here, plus organising rugby gaming comps and getting nothing out of it but abuse and accusations.

I'm just a normal guy waiting to buy both games. HB or Sidhe have done nothing for me personally and my opinions are straight down the middle honest. Any more unprovoked attacks on TRF staff are likely to lead to bans. It's starting to go too far and get too personal now.

I completely understand what you're saying Ivey. But asking me to deal with your moderating frustrations is a bit out of line. You're a moderator/admin for a reason and that has nothing to do with me or my frustrations with this topic. That's like me telling you to deal with the frustrations I have in my own personal life. But back to the topic at hand I feel we should all be entitled to our own opinions and can say what we want to say within certain boundaries and I don't believe I got "too far and too personal" not so much that you could be considering a ban. I feel alot of people who have agreed with the review are also straight down the middle, after all, what we have said is that the game is exactly like 08 with an improved ruck system. I honestly don't believe that warrants name-calling[fanboy] or a ban.
I will again apologise for offending any TRF staff member.

 

[TRF C A Iversen]

I completely understand what you're saying Ivey. But asking me to deal with your moderating frustrations is a bit out of line. You're a moderator/admin for a reason and that has nothing to do with me or my frustrations with this topic. That's like me telling you to deal with the frustrations I have in my own personal life. But back to the topic at hand I feel we should all be entitled to our own opinions and can say what we want to say within certain boundaries and I don't believe I got "too far and too personal" not so much that you could be considering a ban. I feel alot of people who have agreed with the review are also straight down the middle, after all, what we have said is that the game is exactly like 08 with an improved ruck system. I honestly don't believe that warrants name-calling[fanboy] or a ban.
I will again apologise for offending any TRF staff member.

I didn't ask you to deal with my frustrations, so it's not out of line. I was just commenting on the fact that you said you were frustrated and I said I was too. It's like saying that you were asking me to deal with yours, when you were only mentioning it.

Anyone who starts suggesting we are corrupt and will score a game highly just because of association with a developer, is likely to get a ban, as that is just out of line.

 

[Dizzy]

I didn't ask you to deal with my frustrations, so it's not out of line. I was just commenting on the fact that you said you were frustrated and I said I was too. It's like saying that you were asking me to deal with yours, when you were only mentioning it.

Anyone who starts suggesting we are corrupt and will score a game highly just because of association with a developer, is likely to get a ban, as that is just out of line.

Because I or any of the other staff are not going to be accused of bias and that we'd rate any game with PS1 graphics as awesome.

Your frustrated? Try dealing with what I put up with every day on here, plus organising rugby gaming comps and getting nothing out of it but abuse and accusations.

I'm just a normal guy waiting to buy both games. HB or Sidhe have done nothing for me personally and my opinions are straight down the middle honest. Any more unprovoked attacks on TRF staff are likely to lead to bans. It's starting to go too far and get too personal now.

Look Iversen I'm not trying to start an arguement here, but you did tell me to try dealing with,.. [what I quoted] where as when I expressed my frustrations I wasn't asking anyone to feel what I'm feeling, I was just trying to get a point across. By questioning my frustration followed by a statement of your own frustrations it seemed like you were insinuating I try dealing with your frustrations. Which is out of line.

On the ban situation, I do understand your side of it, I honestly do but I don't agree.
I believe that if we can't suggest staff are defending a game no matter what the circumstances then it's unfair that staff can call us fanboys of RC for being critical of the RWC2011 without us even mentioning RC.

 

[raziel_eire]

There was actually some fairly balanced criticisms about the review and the game in general for the first few pages... not so much now... Personally I thought the score given was fair from a mainstream consumers view of the game, but the article itself was a bit poo, more a rant then an informative review.

 

[TRF C A Iversen]

Look Iversen I'm not trying to start an arguement here, but you did tell me to try dealing with,.. [what I quoted] where as when I expressed my frustrations I wasn't asking anyone to feel what I'm feeling, I was just trying to get a point across. By questioning my frustration followed by a statement of your own frustrations it seemed like you were insinuating I try dealing with your frustrations. Which is out of line.

On the ban situation, I do understand your side of it, I honestly do but I don't agree.
I believe that if we can't suggest staff are defending a game no matter what the circumstances then it's unfair that staff can call us fanboys of RC for being critical of the RWC2011 without us even mentioning RC.

For goodness sake that was a figure of speech and relatively common at that. You can't literally "try dealing with" my situation your not a mod or admin. Also, "try" is not "you must", I never told you to do anything.

Even so I fail to see how it's "out of line".

Anymore issues or queries with me, take it to Personal Message.

 

[kovana]

There is no Tutorial Mode? IMO thats a mistake since i thought this game was also geared to the newbies.....


That Thunderbolt review seems more in depth with their review..

Also agree with the idea that an indicator should show if there is a defender off screen, especially with the side cam... Or perhaps just use a radar option (is this in the game?).

And again going on about the lack of events AFTER the RWC is over...

 

[TRF C A Iversen]

There is no Tutorial Mode? IMO thats a mistake since i thought this game was also geared to the newbies.....


That Thunderbolt review seems more in depth with their review..

Also agree with the idea that an indicator should show if there is a defender off screen, especially with the side cam... Or perhaps just use a radar option (is this in the game?).

And again going on about the lack of events AFTER the RWC is over...

Yeah I think the Thunderbolt review seemed more like fair criticism.

 

[Dizzy]

For goodness sake that was a figure of speech and relatively common at that. You can't literally "try dealing with" my situation your not a mod or admin. Also, "try" is not "you must", I never told you to do anything.

Even so I fail to see how it's "out of line".

Anymore issues or queries with me, take it to Personal Message.

No more issues, I believe the dust has settled but at the risk of sounding like a smart ass, you're right, try doesn't mean you must, but it is a suggestion to accomplish something which is where I was headed. Lol.

Everything all good now Iversen?

 

[Sweatybee]

Interesting contrast between the IGN, Thunderbolt and other reviews on this forum.

 

[Dizzy]

Don't make any wrong suggestions now!

 

[Sweatybee]

Don't make any wrong suggestions now!

Wrong suggestion? What possibly could you mean? None of these reviews comment on the soundtrack for RWC2011, which I was highly anticipating.