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Still a mystery how Meisiekind can perform at SR level but plays like a thin prop at international level :?

Yip, unfortunately he is just one of those players that couldn't made the step to international level. Also Ruan Pienaar. In cricket we have Jacques Rudolph who is getting the one 100 after another locally and in county cricket, but struggles at test level.

another player who seems to struggle at test level is Andries Bekker. I know he struggled with injuries and with his wife (that was his own fault though :rolleyes:) but he didn't played one decent test as yet. He is outstanding at super rugby level, especially in the 2010 season.
Maybe now that he knows he is the number one lock in the country he will live up to his reputation.
 
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He has played 24 tests for the boks of which 7 was starts and the rest was off the bench...

But you guys are going off track now...
 
He has played 24 tests for the boks of which 7 was starts and the rest was off the bench...

But you guys are going off track now...

Surely any talk of locks is relevant to the Bulls?


Why just yesterday I forgot where I put my keys, luckily you don't have to be overly concerned about locks here.

:D

Okay okay, so what if the Bulls taught Basson how to kick a ball properly, would he then be your first choice? Excellent at fielding up-and-unders, very good chaser, lots of a pace and all that jazz.
 
Okay okay, so what if the Bulls taught Basson how to kick a ball properly, would he then be your first choice? Excellent at fielding up-and-unders, very good chaser, lots of a pace and all that jazz.

as a fullback? I don't know. His defence is quite weak though.
 
Pre season friendly - Bulls vs. Cheetahs (B sides)

[h=1]Adongo makes a giant impression[/h]
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by Brenden Nel 10 February 2012, 17:39



If pre-season games are there for players to make an impression, then the Bulls selectors need look no further than their off-season acquisition of Kenyan Daniel Adongo.
The man-mountain who is rumoured to give captain Pierre Spies a go in the gym, made the most of the hit-out on the Loftus B field as the Bulls B-side won a highly entertaining match against their Cheetahs counterparts 33-29.
Adongo, who stands 1.93m tall and weighs in at 112kg, was the star of the show on a balmy Pretoria afternoon, helping himself to three tries and emphatically s arrival at Loftus.
Before making the move to Loftus, the transfer was said to be one that the Sharks fought to stop. After seeing him play, one can understand why.
The Kenyan utility forward, who plays equally well at both loose forward and lock, was everywhere, and put in a sparkling performance that the coaching staff will be more than happy with.
But if Adongo stole the headlines, there was plenty else to put smiles on faces as both sides showed some deft touches for this part of the season that will have given both Frans Ludeke and Naka Drotske hope for the season ahead.
To be honest, if this was about the result, the Cheetahs would have sneaked this one. Two penalties in the last five minutes were turned down to be kicked to the sideline, both well within Riaan Smit's kicking distance.
Either way, both sides excelled in their open style of play, holding little back, and while there were a number of mistakes, that can be expected this time of year.
After an early missed penalty by Lionel Cronje, the Cheetahs took the lead through one of their own by Sias Ebersohn.
It wasn't long though before the Bulls hit back. Jean Cook, the blond stolen from Bloemfontein, burst through for a powerhouse try to put his side on the board.
The seesaw nature of the match was signified when Lourens Adriaanse retook the lead for the visitors, before a blistering break by winger Sampie Mastriet split the defence, leaving Adongo to take the final pass and fall over for his first try.
The Cheetahs were rewarded after a number of phases by prop Marcel van der Merwe, who went over from close range to put them 17-12 ahead at the break.
But in the second half it was the Bulls who took their opportunities better to clinch the game, and Adongo started off the half well, crashing over from close range for his second.
A great sideline conversion by Cronje retook the lead for the home side, before the Cheetahs found a perfect hole in the defence and Phillip Burger put Barry Geel away for a quick strike back.
At 24-19, the Cheetahs looked ominous, but it was that man Adongo again who popped up in the right place at the right time, grabbing the ball at the base of the ruck and crashing over to retake the lead.
Mastriet put his name on the scoreboard shortly afterwards, taking a perfect blindside pass from Ruan Snyman to swoop in from 50 metres and give the Bulls some breathing space.
Dusty Noble, who recovered from a horrible knee injury last season, was determined to make his mark, and grabbed the last try in this nine-try festival, leaving both teams satisfied with their efforts, even if the result mattered less.
For the Bulls, Adongo, Cook, midfielder Ulrich Beyers and Cronje stood out, while Snyman, lock Cornell Hess and Mastriet will all leave the field smiling.
The Cheetahs will be happy with the form of both Riaan Smit and Sias Ebersohn, while Lourens Adriaanse, Phillip van der Walt and Noble all looked class.
SCORERS
Bulls – tries: Daniel Adongo (3), Sampie Mastriet, Jean Cook. Cons – Lionel Cronje (4).
Cheetahs – tries: Lourens Adriaanse, Marcel van der Merwe, Barry Geel, Dusty Noble. Cons – Sias Ebersohn (2), Riaan Smit. Pen: Ebersohn.
 
While this double post only talks about the B side match that was played. Here's a quick post of what happened with the A-sides that played in Polokwane over the weekend.

the Bulls won 39-16 over the Cheetahs. In a match with many handling errors, one thing that stood out was the concentration of the scrum facet of the game, and in this match it became apparent that it's one area where the bulls has put on some focus. in the first 20 minutes there were about 8 scrums, and both teams held firm with neither getting the other to do anything wrong, but then the bulls started to show how they can scrum, and the next 8 scrum got a real shove on against the always strong cheetah scrum, bulls winning 2 tightheads in the process.

The Cheetahs has shown that with the loss of wilhelm steenkamp, who coincidentally was their biggest threat of the night at line-out time, they seriously need to work on the line-out phase. Victor Matfield should have been proud of the young guns showing their worth in the line-outs, stealing 5 line-out throws, and not losing one on their own throw.

at ruck time it was an even battle, with maybe a bit too much respect for one another and no real scrappy situations for the teams to pounce on. the bulls used their battering rams to great effect, with guys like Dean Greyling, Chilliboy Ralepelle, Flip van der Merwe and Cj Stander all having some great runs and gaining good grounds. the Bulls showed their intent early on that they want to play a more attacking game than previously with having a lot of penalties declined to kick for goal, and rather used it to kick for the corners or a quick tap by the nippy scrumhalves Francois Hougaard and Jano Vermaak.

The bulls used their chances well and got points on the board whenever they got into the 22 of the Cheetahs, with only handling errors standing in their way of getting more points.

The Cheetahs star Fly Half had a relatively bad day with the boot, in that he missed kicks for touch and the odd kick at goal. but he once a gain showed what a monster boot he had on him when he knocked over a 61m penalty kick. his biggest let down was in that he couldn't marshall his backline efectively enough with the bulls defence showing they are a side to be reckoned with this year. Francois Venter didn't stand back for anyone, and on numerous occasions, Ashley Johnson ran at him, and he was up for the task.

While both teams didn't show a lot of new innovations. it was the bulls that showed that sticking to the basics pays off at the end. It was a relatively boring match to watch with the 61m kick grabbing the most attention from the crowd. but nonetheless a good result for the bulls.
 
I was a bit worried due to the loss of some key players, but I feel much better after this weekends match.

My biggest concern at this stage is our loosies. CJ was excellent but Dewald and Steggies was a bit quite. Dewald is not a ball carrier and someone like Jacques P or even Adonga might do a better job here. CJ is strong and fast but a bit too small as a ball carrier (although he did do better than Dewald in this regard) and as a no 8. Ludeke might expierence with him as a fetcher in the place of Steggies. A loose trio of Spies, Adonga and CJ might not be too bad although I would still prefer Arno at 8, but with Spies as captain thats not going to happen.

That try at the end by Kirchner was a jewel. Very nice handling and inter play for the first game of the season.
 
Watched this game with a few friends and we were all impressed with the Bulls this early in the season.
I reckon they will surprise a lot of teams
 
Always knew the Bulls will be competitive still as their planning has been good and they still have quality with the only real change being a loss of experience and probably a change in gameplan focus to adapt to the strengths of the newer players.

That being said, I still feel the stormers and Sharks are the teams to battle it out for top spot in SA. Bulls will probably lose one or two they shouldn't have simply because of a lack of experience this year.

The strange thing though for me is that in the centres and the backrow they are sure to start Olivier, Spies, Stegmann and Potgieter due to their experiece though their youngsters are the better players IMO. Jeesh, imagine having the likes of Arno Botha, CJ Stander and Francois Venter not playing; it's a crime. Though the Bulls are a patient lot and manage to keep their young/fringe players patient too which is a good thing I guess.
 
The strange thing though for me is that in the centres and the backrow they are sure to start Olivier, Spies, Stegmann and Potgieter due to their experiece though their youngsters are the better players IMO. Jeesh, imagine having the likes of Arno Botha, CJ Stander and Francois Venter not playing; it's a crime. Though the Bulls are a patient lot and manage to keep their young/fringe players patient too which is a good thing I guess.

I think that old adage- you cant buy expierance- is still very applicable.

as I mentioned a while ago, I think this will be WO last season. It will be a good thing to rotate Sadie and Venter around him especially since he can play inside and outside centre. You do need some cool, calm and collected heads especially when the pressure is starting to build.

The bulls have tremendous depth in the loosies. This just might bring out the best in Spies, especially after the game CJ had and Chilli didn't do a bad job as captain either. In fact Chillie outshine Strauss. A loose trio of 8- Arno Botha, 7- Adonga(if you can go by one performance), 6- CJ might be awesome in years to come, but at this stage might be suicidal due to the lack of expierance. Superrugby is not CC or Vodacom. I would love to see Ludeke expierence with CJ in the fetcher role. He is very strong and fast and might be uitilsed better here than as a ball carrier.

By rotating CJ, Arno, Adonga, Jean Cook and Jacques P around Spies, Dewald and Stegman might give them the neccesary expierance.
 
http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/120220/Season_preview_Vodacom_Bulls


Season preview: Vodacom Bulls


by Brenden Nel 20 February 2012, 10:56


Can a team lose a wealth of stars and still be competitive in the toughest competition in World Rugby? That's the question the Vodacom Bulls will need to answer as they head into the 2012 edition of Vodacom Super Rugby this year.
There seems a never-ending queue of people lining up to write off the Bulls' chances this year, and while those in Pretoria may feel aggrieved, there is some merit to the theory.
After all, no team come through unscathed when they lose a pack, their general and the architect of their success. The Bulls have certainly felt the losses, having said goodbye on the playing field to Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Gurthro Steenkamp, Gary Botha, Danie Rossouw and their general Fourie du Preez.
Add to that Heyneke Meyer's departure to the Springbok job and the brains trust has been depleted somewhat at Loftus.
But despite all of this there is optimism in the Bulls ranks. They will rightly point out that they won two Super Rugby ***les without Meyer helping incumbent coach Frans Ludeke and that the structures are what are important in their quest for glory.
Their pre-season demolition of the Cheetahs seems to partly back up this theory, as new young stars such as CJ Stander and Francois Venter both stepped into the injury voids of Wynand Olivier and Pierre Spies and performed well.
To understand the Bulls psyche, it is important to know that they believe in basics. Do them well and half the battle is won. While it may bring an outcry of disbelief and shouts of "10-man rugby" from the purists countrywide, the Bulls will be more than just a 10-man team this season. It is ridiculous to think they will shed their tag as a powerful pack but look rather to them adding a few more bows to their arrow on attack.
There is a quiet confidence coming out of Pretoria, and while they're not making any bold predictions yet, they certainly are not quivering in their boots at the thought of facing the best the Southern Hemisphere has to offer.
Coach Ludeke knows it comes down to hard work and self-belief, two qualities that certainly aren't lacking in the Bulls camp.
"It doesn't help to make projections as to where we will end up on the log," Ludeke explains, "What is important to us is that we back our systems and we believe in each other. With hard work we will be back at the top. We also have big dreams and we want to fulfil them."
It must also be remembered that the Bulls were somewhat rattled by their seventh place last season. While they may have lost it in the final match against the Sharks, they set out ambitiously recruiting young stars like Johann Sadie and JJ Engelbrecht to fill the void. Players with character and who they believe will become Springboks one day.
"We believe we have the right players in the group and that we have the talent to go all the way. But we are also realistic that it takes time to bring players through. To establish combinations and to find form is a process.
"That doesn't mean we have stopped believing. We are excited about the talent in the group and we have high expectations of ourselves, and we need to make sure that counts. We start the season at home and that is a massive positive for us. We know we play well at Loftus Versfeld and we know that a good start will give us the momentum and rhythm to go into the competition with confidence."
With all this in mind, can the Vodacom Bulls upset the odds and turn in an exceptional 2012 performance? The odds are against them winning the competition, but those who forget the amount of talent in the squad may rue their predictions.
It is a rebuilding year for the Bulls, but with hard work and self-confidence, a little bit of momentum and a gallon of luck, they may surprise a number of teams this season.
MOVEMENTS
IN: Sadie (Stormers), Engelbrecht (Stormers), Dawie Steyn, Wepener (Clermont Auvergne), Adonga (Sharks), Steenkamp (Cheetahs), Potgieter, Stander, Botha, Vermaak (Lions), Fouche, Venter, Cronje (Stormers), Visser, Mastriet
OUT: Victor Matfield (retired), Fourie du Preez (Suntory Goliath, Japan), Danie Rossouw (Suntory Goliath, Japan), Bakkies Botha (Toulon, France), Gary Botha (Toulouse, France), Gurthro Steenkamp (Toulouse, France), Jaco Pretorius (retired), Jaco van der Westhuyzen (retired), Fudge Mabeta (injured), Derick Kuun (retired), Ockie Kruger (retired), Dustin Jinka, Francois Brummer, Marnitz Boshoff, Stefan Watermeyer (Ospreys, Wales), Stephan Dippennaar (Sevens), Gerhard van der Heever (Stormers).
Coach:
Frans Ludeke
Asst coaches:
John McFarland
Pieter Rossouw
Johan van Graan
Manager:
Wynie Strydom

 
I hate supersport articles that start off with 'Toughest (domestic) competition in the world.. attrition... best players.. etc...'

This is a good thing for the Bulls, last year (albeit somewhat justifiably so) a few of the Bulls players seemed distracted by one or a couple of many things, no doubt the foremost being the world cup.

To have players focused on doing their best to get into the Bulls team first rather than eyes on Boks is better for them in my eyes, Boks should come as a bonus for these players rather than a given.
 
Now,am I to assume the jelly like substance is coagulated blood

Or is/ are they his tendons/ other?:?

In fact, if it will upset my stomach any more, please just say it is nasty...
 
Bulls utility back Lionel Cronjé's hopes of clinching a permanent Vodacom Super Rugby place were dashed by injury, ruling him out for the rest of the Southern Hemisphere tournament.
Cronjé, who moved at the end of last season from the Stormers because of a lack of game time, has suffered a pectoral muscle tear in his chest during the curtain-raiser last Friday against the Sharks XV while playing for the Blue Bulls Vodacom Cup side.

Source - Supersport

/glad the Bulls have him now/
 

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