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Super 14 FINAL - Crusaders v Hurricanes

Originally posted by esoj@May 28 2006, 09:53 PM
wasn't a final in canberra played in crap conditions to.

maybe they should not play the final unless it is bright and sunny outside
No... I don't think anyone is suggesting that, but last nights conditions weren't crap, they were ridiculous... and if you can't admit that conditions in which players can barely see 10 metres in front and people in the stands can barely see the feild are about the worst conditions a rugby match has been played in, then you're simply being too parochial.
 
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Originally posted by kaftka@May 26 2006, 07:31 PM
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We south africans are always said to not have a sense of humour and even I can see Rimmer is saving the urine (taking the p1ss). Here at TRF we like to joke and banter and I can see RImmer will fit right in. Welcome to the forum Rimmer.

....and now for you two gaysaders, whoossy and candybird....I can see a hurricane forming over your precious Gayde stadium!!!!!! Bwahahahahah

lol yeah... Crusader fans are homosexuals. :lol:






:mellow:
Hey just because those 2 fruitcakes are backing the Crusaders is no need to stereotype us.

Not our fault ever other NZ team can't cut it without giving a gold watch to Kaplan. [/b]
Hey if you go back and read the thread you will see i put a picture up supporting the hurricanes :p
 
i woulndt admit that candyman :)

hurricanes are loosers :)

sorry i am having a good time here at work, though there is no1 to hassle, i got so much **** on friday now there is no1 here to give it back to (i just sat down and took it on friday)

they are all scared of me...

i am thinking about going home i am i am
 
Your all fools for watching this farce.........well trying too.

Coz on the very next channel the mighty raiders won in golden pt - and u could see everything - even the hotdog man in the stands - to the traffic going by in the background

SANZAR should impose a ban on playing any games in NZ after May01, after 5:00pm local time

I mean seriously - congratulations on winning the S14......congratulations on the All Kiwi final.......but u get what ur given.........a long white cloud, and disgust by even the fans, who cant really blame anyone, but themselves, coz u cant blame mother nature - but ur own feet got you too the ground.

but hey - i'd rather make the final.........and play in any conditions

SANZAR's gotto address this embarrament of conditions, coz its just laughing at rugby at the moment.........hey whens the 1st Bledisloe/Tri Nations game in NZ......where and when..............coz i wont book another night at the pub, for more fog action.
 
look the conditions were tragic

most of the people in the nose bleeder seats left the game early.

they couldnt see the other side of the field, if anything

when u have people leaving the game before half time - you know there is a visability issue, and u know u made an error in proceeding with the game

perhaps in a normal match u can be forgiven

but the FINAL of the Premier domestic comp in the SH

TURN IT UP...........postpone the match to DAYTIME
 
its just a freak of nature, not really anything they could do posponing it til sunday would have been the same conditions (so i am told)

no point arguring about the weather or saying that sanzar have to do something about it. what can they do? NOTHING, its weather no1 can predict thats going to happen. its the first time it has happened at jade.

if it was a regular occurance i would agree with you, but its a first time, and hopefully only time, so i would just leave the weather out of it. sure it made it hard for the fans to watch, but its history now and the crusaders are super 14 champions :) yeah
 
Originally posted by woosaah@May 29 2006, 11:15 AM
sure it made it hard for the fans to watch, but its history now and the crusaders are super 14 champions :) yeah
Its simple going forward

No games in NZ should be played at night after 01May - espepcially the south island - every south island match to be played in the daytime

that aint something very hard to amend
it aint something that people are going to complain about
its simply minimizing Rugby's exposure to such random tragedies

Now watch the lack of revenue raised on a S14 2006 Final DVD, coz people wont buy "How to create you own Fog, the Dan Carter way" will they??
 
that wont solve anything as there was fog all day the next day anyway

night rugby is here to stay in new zealand anyway.

what would be great is if they upgraded jade staium to have a roof, now that would be wicked :)

but i don tthink that would happen as its getting new stands soon anyway (anyone know when they pulling down the old 1-3 stands???) but adding a roof would be awesome for such occasions.

if it happends reguarly i would agree with you ak, but once, ever it may never happen again. it doesnt fog like that in the south island often at all

Foggy memories of how and when
29 May 2006 
By ARWEN HANN and RICHARD KNOWLER

Canterbury may be celebrating another Super rugby trophy but many fans have been left wondering just how and when the Crusaders won the match.


It was not only the one-eyed nature of most Cantabrians that made it hard for them to see what was happening on Saturday night â€" the fog which rolled across the stadium about 6pm meant spectators at Jade Stadium and at home struggled to see any of the match not played directly in front of them or the TV cameras.

For the faithful who turned out at the ground, what should have been New Zealand's showpiece final turned into a guessing game in which spectators had to rely on the cheers or otherwise of supporters at the opposite end of the ground to work out just what was going on. Dozens of people left upper seats at half time, presumably to see if the television coverage was any better.

Sarah Persico was looking forward to watching the final from one of the Hadlee stand's corporate boxes, but conditions were so bad she could not see the other end of the pitch for most of the game.

"The score kept changing but we didn't know why. We had to listen to the cheering and try and work it out. Luckily the only try was scored right in front of us so it was worth it."

The friends who had received Persico's original tickets in the Paul Kelly stand did not fare much better.

"We sent them a text and they replied to say great seats but they couldn't see a bloody thing."

Despite not being able to see most of the game, Persico felt it was right that it went ahead.

"I think the teams adapted well to the conditions and I think the standard of rugby was still good. What else could they have done? Everything was in place for Saturday night â€" I don't think they could have changed it."

Met Service forecaster Erick Brenstrum said a combination of early morning rain, a bright afternoon and light winds were to blame for the fog.

While the Met Service had not specifically predicted fog, Brenstrum said it was not unusual for the Garden City to experience it at this time of year. What did surprise him was how early in the evening it appeared.

The light winds and the warmer weather during Saturday afternoon would have contributed, Brenstrum said. "Early morning rain and light winds are a recipe for fog. The warmer weather in the afternoon would have led to higher humidity as well, which all contributes.

"If the wind gets up to more than 15 knots, you tend to get low cloud, but on Saturday the wind was only around 10 knots in Christchurch, so we got fog instead."

Fog is the same as cloud, but has contact with the ground. It occurs when moisture from the surface of the Earth evaporates, moves upward, cools and condenses.

Paul Humphreys, who watched the match in Queensland, emailed The Press describing it as a "bizarre joke". "Christchurch is very prone to evening sea fog rolling in at this time of the year, and the game should have been scheduled as an afternoon match. Those supporting the game in person should be refunded," he said.

But Paul Holland, who also watched the match on television, said the game should have gone ahead.

"Games have been in far worse conditions. As far as refunds for tickets go â€" why? You pays your money, you takes your chances. If it is good enough for the players to turn up and play, then the crowd got what they paid for. A game of rugby and a Super 14 Championship."

Crusaders chief executive Hamish Riach admitted the final may have been called off if the fog had endangered the safety of the players and spectators. But, after consulting the New Zealand Rugby Union, teams, match officials, broadcasters and key sponsors, it was decided the game should proceed.

"In the end it was a relatively comfortable decision in that nobody was saying it should be called off," Riach said. "It may not have had to get too much worse (to be called off) but the collective view was that the game should proceed."

However, Riach later told a radio station that the Crusaders were aware of the concerns and frustrations with the fans, and would investigate today if there was anything they could do.

When the players trudged off the field following the 19-12 win to the Crusaders, nearly all of them said the conditions were "bizarre".

The administrators were no different, but said they were comfortable in their decision, despite spectators being unable to see all of the field, and the fog seriously affecting television coverage.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,21...31a6009,00.html
 
The Hurricanes needed more than a fog to give them a chance..........they didn't have the foggiest idea that night.....if it hadn't been for the fog the score may have been bigger for the Crusaders.

YEAH!!!!!
 
Originally posted by ak47@May 29 2006, 11:10 AM
Your all fools for watching this farce.........well trying too.

Coz on the very next channel the mighty raiders won in golden pt - and u could see everything - even the hotdog man in the stands - to the traffic going by in the background

SANZAR should impose a ban on playing any games in NZ after May01, after 5:00pm local time

I mean seriously - congratulations on winning the S14......congratulations on the All Kiwi final.......but u get what ur given.........a long white cloud, and disgust by even the fans, who cant really blame anyone, but themselves, coz u cant blame mother nature - but ur own feet got you too the ground.

but hey - i'd rather make the final.........and play in any conditions

SANZAR's gotto address this embarrament of conditions, coz its just laughing at rugby at the moment.........hey whens the 1st Bledisloe/Tri Nations game in NZ......where and when..............coz i wont book another night at the pub, for more fog action.
I did watch the highlights of that game it looked like an awesome game.

I too am a bit of a raiders fan
 
Two points.

One, visibilty is one of the most important requirements for a game of rugby to be played well. Thats why they built lights for night games and don't just leave half them off. To say those conditions were acceptable to play in, is a farce. We'll NEVER know how those two sides would have fared in more playable conditions, although it does seem to me a little like the Crusaders could have done even better.

Two, bring back Arnold Rimmer.
 
I still think its crazy to suggest shifting the game or banning games from being played at night based on one freak of nature. the fog was still there on sunday as well so post phoning till the next day would not have been great either

the match offiicials etc were asked at half time if they wanted to keep going and they said yes.

the conditions were bad nobody is denying this at all. but calls to ban nights games is simply way over the top.

I highly doubt you would see fog like that in another 10 if not 20 years.

rugby is a game played in all conditions. they don't stop playing when it rains. sure this was really bad but the teams and everybody else involved agreed to play the game.

maybe in future they should find somone that has a spare 20 million or so to cover the re-booking of flights,catering, work compensation etc.
 
Originally posted by sanzar@May 28 2006, 10:32 PM
I was just going by the poll their esoj ;) . 56% in favor of postponing.

Anyway, when it's all said and done I think we all agree that it was about the worst Super rugby final ever held in terms of the spectacle... Perhaps NZ need to build a dome stadium...
Build one yourself if your so f***ing obessed with Dome Stadiums.

Its simple going forward

No games in NZ should be played at night after 01May - espepcially the south island - every south island match to be played in the daytime

that aint something very hard to amend
it aint something that people are going to complain about
its simply minimizing Rugby's exposure to such random tragedies

Now watch the lack of revenue raised on a S14 2006 Final DVD, coz people wont buy "How to create you own Fog, the Dan Carter way" will they??[/b]

Your an Idiot

Ripper - 1989 - 2063
 
Originally posted by esoj@May 29 2006, 04:18 PM
I still think its crazy to suggest shifting the game or banning games from being played at night based on one freak of nature. the fog was still there on sunday as well so post phoning till the next day would not have been great either

the match offiicials etc were asked at half time if they wanted to keep going and they said yes.

the conditions were bad nobody is denying this at all. but calls to ban nights games is simply way over the top.

I highly doubt you would see fog like that in another 10 if not 20 years.

rugby is a game played in all conditions. they don't stop playing when it rains. sure this was really bad but the teams and everybody else involved agreed to play the game.

maybe in future they should find somone that has a spare 20 million or so to cover the re-booking of flights,catering, work compensation etc.

Ummm.....not suggesting that they get rid of night games, (Where ever that idea came from I don't know). :wacko:

Just saying that those conditions were not suitable for Rugby, and in the 1/10000000 chance that it ever happens again, they should have insurance and play it the next day, for rugby's sake.

If there was a reasonable way to do it, I think they would have. They couldn't though, and thats understandable.
 
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 04:24 PM
Your an Idiot

Ripper - 1989 - 2063
:lol:

I believe its "You are" or "You're"

IDIOT

Anyways hopefully the NZRU have a contigency plan for the NEXT time this happens - which it will do...........there needs to be something in place for the sake of the game............its will get play of the week for humour factor, when really the S14 final should be play of the week on its own merits
 
Pure Genius...

Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.

THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME

i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN

Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
 
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 04:00 PM
Pure Genius...

Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.

THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME

i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN

Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
Yes, yes they do.
 
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 05:00 PM
Pure Genius...

Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.

THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME

i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN

Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
yeah and the Mt St Helens, Tsunami, Hurricanes in N.O - earthquake today - all freak occurances

Its safe to say anything from mother nature is a freak occurances isnt it

How bout doing something so we arent exposed to these freak acts of nature

No the NRL doesnt have anything in place........unless a team is created on the highest tip of Tasmania - we wont have too, but we would

Remember that SNOW game with the Raiders???

Actually I've seen NRL game get canned due to heavy hail falling beforehand.

If ur a QLD team in the NRL u arent getting a home game until late march/april - so it is safe to say the NRL does think about the location and seasons/time of year involved.
 
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@May 29 2006, 04:00 PM
Pure Genius...

Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.

THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME

i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN

Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
Yes, yes they do. [/b]
Is it inbetween the files marked "What to do in case of Jesus coming" and "What to do in case of Warriors winning the competition"?

Originally posted by AK 47
No the NRL doesnt have anything in place........unless a team is created on the highest tip of Tasmania - we wont have too, but we would

So why should SANZAR have one?
 

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