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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Apr 1 2009, 02:15 PM)
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with regards to your scathing post related to what previously wrote on Henson and Ryan Jones. i gave you very good reasons behind my thinking to which you repost with, basically, nothing...?[/b]
No you didnt. you said "Henson is the finest reader of the game at 12, and creates the most time and space I have ever seen in a player, sometimes it looks as though a defense are reluctant to tackle him. you very very rarely see a defender get a BIG HIT on Henson. I find it almost impossible to contest his value to any side, because to contest it has overtones of you not watching him as much as someone who recognizes his talent. he rarely makes wrong decisions"
Its all kinda simple really. You speak of Henson as if he can or has done all these things but none of them seem to happen that regularly. In fact I could easily say there is no evidence of him ever looking like a fine reader of the game at 12 (was it not Henson who failed to make that pass against France that would have been a match winning try for Wales?) in fact coaches have been trying to find the right position for him for years. Outhalf didnt work, Fullback hasnt worked, why not try 12. Finally, defenses absolutely LOVE tackling him (O'Driscoll put him on his arse two weeks ago, and came back with the ball at the same time).
Pretty much everything you said above, and in most posts is questionable at best and you have this annoying habit of pre-empting replies by saying daft things like "to contest it has overtones of you not watching him as much as someone who recognizes his talent".
So again I'd ask ....... What it is that Henson has done to deserve the praise he receives. O'Driscoll, Giteau, Mortlock, Umaga, Horan, Greenwood, christ even Jausion built their reputations on the pitch through performances. So apart from "that kick", his autobiography, his sulk during the last Lions tour, his relationship and his tan, has he actually done anything on the pitch to justify this kind of talk?. Has he done anything or are we still talking about the potential of a 27 year old?
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do you not like the way he plays?
do you think he lacks a fundamental quality?
opinions are much more interesting than
"errrr, he's injured a lot, i don't watch rugby much, and i don't like orange tan or his girlfriend one kick errr thats it...." it really makes you sound moronic....![/b]
I think hes a fine player, but he's been consistently buggered by injuries. However hes gone from bursting onto the scene in his early 20's to ........ well he hasnt really moved on has he. What has he actually done? O'Driscoll burst onto the scene and has become the best 13 in the world. Henson burst onto the scene and ................ got married. He kinda reminds me of Arwell Thomas (spelling).
Most importantly I think your arguement lacks a fundamental quality. That being substance, or substance based on reality. All opinions are subjective and I've just pointed out that your opinion is based on what you want to see, cause it sure as **** hasnt happened on the pitch. If you believe I'm being moronic for pointing out the flaws in your statement (cause thats all it was), especially when you still cant answer a fairly simple question yourself.
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barely the best 12 in wales... not what the coaches, experts and pundits think...[/b]
The same pundits that predicted Wales would beat Ireland. The same pundits that believe O'Driscoll shouldnt play in the Lions team at all. The same pundits that were so wowed by Roberts and Shanklin that they questioned whether Henson (the best 12 on the planet) would get his position back. The coaches that tried him at 10 (was a good day in Lansdowne on that day), at 15 (out of position for Tommy Bowe's try), at 12. The coaches that nurse him back to health then ban him for four key weeks during the season for more off the field antics.
For christ sake, you cant use pundits as a reference! Andy Nicol is a pundit ffs.
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i know of a job going for a tabloid mate... as a researcher, it could be right up your street, but stay away from rugby punditary because you spend a lot of time writing to prove points that only show you watch very little rugby.
please give it a rest.
