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15 Dempsey
14 Cohen
13 De Luca
12 Maggs ©
11 Gary Brown
10 Lamb
9 a man
1 Jacobson
2 Thompson
3 Hayes
4 Borthwick
5 O'Kelly
6 Neil Best
7 O'Gara
8 David Beckham
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Mar 22 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Have not been impressed by Ryan Jones and think it's a shame that he hasn't been playing 8 where he seems better. Ferris is my man at 6, he reminds me of Shalke Burger in many ways. Strong, quick, agressive tackler. He's a good lineout option to that. So I'd go with 6. Ferris 7 Williams 8. Heaslip. Maybe Jones or Croft in at 6.[/b]
Apart from Heaslip, nobody has really put his hand up and demanded selection with his performances at 8 whereas at 6 there's Ferris, Croft, Jones, Strokosch and Worsley (plays with 7 on his back but isn't likely to dislodge Wallace or Williams). I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ryan Jones and Jamie Heaslip were brought as the two 8s in the squad (with David Wallace acting as emergency backup) to accomodate more specialist 6s. Andy Powell has gone from looking the likely starting 8 to being shown up as a one trick pony (his one trick is damn impressive though!). Jones didn't have a great 6 Nations but he's still an outstanding player and his leadership quality makes him a probable starter at either 6 or 8 in my view.
 
1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Rory Best
3. Euan Murray
4. AW Jones
5. Paul O'Connell ©
6. Stephen Ferris
7. Martyn Williams
8. Jamie Heaslip
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones
11. Shane Williams/Rob Kearney (Shane was awful yesterday!)
12. Riki Flutey
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Delon Armitage
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Mar 22 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Rory Best
3. Euan Murray
4. AW Jones
5. Paul O'Connell ©
6. Stephen Ferris
7. Martyn Williams
8. Jamie Heaslip
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones
11. Shane Williams/Rob Kearney (Shane was awful yesterday!)
12. Riki Flutey
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Delon Armitage[/b]

You'd play Armitage ahead of Byrne AND Kearney? :huh:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meh @ Mar 24 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Mar 22 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Rory Best
3. Euan Murray
4. AW Jones
5. Paul O'Connell ©
6. Stephen Ferris
7. Martyn Williams
8. Jamie Heaslip
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones
11. Shane Williams/Rob Kearney (Shane was awful yesterday!)
12. Riki Flutey
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Delon Armitage[/b]

You'd play Armitage ahead of Byrne AND Kearney? :huh:
[/b][/quote]

after the Six Nations we've just had that's not an unreasonable selection, there's not a huge amount between all 3 but Armitage probably had the best tournament out of all 3.
 
Put it this way, we have 3 amazing choices for fullback when it comes to the Lions.

Kearney
Armitage
Byrne

Let's not quibble over daft little XV's and look forward to the Lions, eh?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 24 2009, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meh @ Mar 24 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Mar 22 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Gethin Jenkins
2. Rory Best
3. Euan Murray
4. AW Jones
5. Paul O'Connell ©
6. Stephen Ferris
7. Martyn Williams
8. Jamie Heaslip
9. Mike Blair
10. Stephen Jones
11. Shane Williams/Rob Kearney (Shane was awful yesterday!)
12. Riki Flutey
13. Brian O'Driscoll
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Delon Armitage[/b]

You'd play Armitage ahead of Byrne AND Kearney? :huh:
[/b][/quote]

after the Six Nations we've just had that's not an unreasonable selection, there's not a huge amount between all 3 but Armitage probably had the best tournament out of all 3.
[/b][/quote]

yeh, I'd pick Byrne because I think he's a better player. Armitage makes my Team of the 6 Nations because he had the best 6N.
 
Just found this below some article on BBC Sport. I closed it before I copied a link so sorry for the lack of the aforementioned. I've never cringed more and this was actually there

I **** you not:

  • 1. At 11:21am on 22 Mar 2009, WiStAhM wrote: Lions XV:

    Armitage
    Varndell
    Flutey
    Geraghty
    Williams
    Flood
    Ellis
    Jones
    Croft
    Haskell
    Worsley
    Kennedy
    3 Fat Blokes At Prop
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Mar 24 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Just found this below some article on BBC Sport. I closed it before I copied a link so sorry for the lack of the aforementioned. I've never cringed more and this was actually there

I **** you not:

  • 1. At 11:21am on 22 Mar 2009, WiStAhM wrote: Lions XV:

    Armitage
    Varndell
    Flutey
    Geraghty
    Williams
    Flood
    Ellis
    Jones
    Croft
    Haskell
    Worsley
    Kennedy
    3 Fat Blokes At Prop
[/b]

yeah i saw that!!!VARNDELL. this is why i come on here, where at least people who are wrong have sensible reasons for being wrong.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Mar 24 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
3 Fat Blokes At Prop[/b]

Whats wrong with that? It comes straight from my school of thought ..... that being honest about not having a fookin clue what happens in the scrum.

Oh ................ except you dont have three props do you. Well 2 fat blokes and a slightly less fat bloke in the middle.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Mar 26 2009, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Monkeypigeon @ Mar 24 2009, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3 Fat Blokes At Prop[/b]

Whats wrong with that? It comes straight from my school of thought ..... that being honest about not having a fookin clue what happens in the scrum.

Oh ................ except you dont have three props do you. Well 2 fat blokes and a slightly less fat bloke in the middle.
[/b][/quote]

or 2 hookers and a prop if you're a certainly Welsh "journalist"
 
My Lions Suggestion is:

1 G.Jenkins - the best qualified prop

2 FLannery - fantastically agressive yet doesn't give away penalties anymore

3 E Murray - close call but great scrummager, good work rate like Geth

4 AW Jones (Capt) - most tactically minded intelligent leader in the team

5 P O'connell - agression and wont step back

6 Croft- athletic attacking blind side

7 M Williams - supporting creative openside

8 R Jones - grunty yet athletic ball carrier

9 Peel - best scrum half we have

10 Cipriani - best flyhalf unless hook finds form

11 Tom James (Cardiff) - outsider but he is big athletic and very very fast... will scare the shxt outta the boks

12 Henson - best 12 in the world

13 BOD - best 13 in the world

14 Bowe - on fire try scorer

15 Byrne - best 15 in the world

Bench

16 Best
17 Adam Jones
18 N Hines
19 Wallace
20 Phillips
21 S Jones
22 Roberts
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Mar 31 2009, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
4 AW Jones (Capt) - most tactically minded intelligent leader in the team[/b]

who was anonymous in Rome when captaining the side, unable to get hold of the players who were kicking woefully and sort that out, yes very tactically minded on that occasion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 31 2009, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Mar 31 2009, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
4 AW Jones (Capt) - most tactically minded intelligent leader in the team[/b]

who was anonymous in Rome when captaining the side, unable to get hold of the players who were kicking woefully and sort that out, yes very tactically minded on that occasion.
[/b][/quote]

If AWJ keeps going the way he is he'll skipper the Lions one day, but not this year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Mar 31 2009, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
My Lions Suggestion is:

1 G.Jenkins - the best qualified prop

2 FLannery - fantastically agressive yet doesn't give away penalties anymore

3 E Murray - close call but great scrummager, good work rate like Geth

4 AW Jones (Capt) - most tactically minded intelligent leader in the team

5 P O'connell - agression and wont step back

6 Croft- athletic attacking blind side

7 M Williams - supporting creative openside

8 R Jones - grunty yet athletic ball carrier

9 Peel - best scrum half we have

10 Cipriani - best flyhalf unless hook finds form

11 Tom James (Cardiff) - outsider but he is big athletic and very very fast... will scare the shxt outta the boks

12 Henson - best 12 in the world

13 BOD - best 13 in the world

14 Bowe - on fire try scorer

15 Byrne - best 15 in the world

Bench

16 Best
17 Adam Jones
18 N Hines
19 Wallace
20 Phillips
21 S Jones
22 Roberts[/b]

Ok, there are a few positions in this team that are worth arguing over. Ryan Jones at 8? I wouldn't even pick him to tour; he's gone a long way backwards.

Obviously there are several wingers better than James, though I have been impressed with what I've seen from him.

If you've watched Cipriani at all this season in a Wasps shirt you'll see he's hardly up to premiership level, let alone Lions. Seriously off-form.

And I'm not saying don't pick Henson at 12, nor that he isn't a world-class player, but it's like saying Paul Gasgoigne was the world's best midfielder. If I was picking a world team, I would put Giteau, de Villiers, Nonu, Hernandez in before Henson.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Mar 31 2009, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
And I'm not saying don't pick Henson at 12, nor that he isn't a world-class player, but it's like saying Paul Gasgoigne was the world's best midfielder. If I was picking a world team, I would put Giteau, de Villiers, Nonu, Hernandez in before Henson.[/b]
fair comment ginger nuts

but can you see why i have selected those players.. i want a fast, open team that run, and spread the defense and open holes.

we need a light fast pack.

inside backs that can think and play whats infront of them

we need wingers that will light the touch line with pace and not with guile

we need a team that can keep possession and move it around.



Ryan Jones has not gone a long way backwards, i would select Jones over Heaslip because of his work on the ground, Jones is more successful in the ruck, he fights and wins the ball more.

Jones also has a very powerful running game to. Heaslip scored tries and ran a lot this six nations while ferris and wallace hide from the lime light they usually occupy and did the grunt work maintain possession.



Tom James - well should Geechs select him, he could well be what john bentley was to the last tour. and we need a big winger with skill and pace as an option to most of the other wingers that may go who are smaller stature, other options to james are shane horgan who is not that good anymore and the big wingers from england like Banahan and Cohen are a bit to thick for the kinda of game i would like to see the lions play with Henson and Cipriani organising attack.


Cipriani, i would take James Hook if h was on form, but he needs a kick up the arse at the moment. I hope Hook goes on the tour because it would do him the world of good, and possibly do the lions some good too.

I would choose to select a fly-half like cipriani or hook because they are inventive if not as consistant as Jones. Jones and O'Gara are to slow passing the ball which causes play to drift wide to quickly and hit the touchline. O'Gara struggles to pass of his left hand too, which to me rules him out completely.

Steve Jones or O'gara are great to play a territory game but i want the lions to run to our strengths out wide, we have brilliant wingers an the best 13 and 15 in the sport, which means Jones or O'Gara would stiffle the talent outside.


I hear your opinion about Henson bit is very common place, TRENDY even to dissregard him but, I vehemently disagree.

Henson is the finest reader of the game at 12, and creates the most time and space i have ever seen in a player, sometimes it looks as though a defense are reluctant to tackle him. you very very rarely see a defender get a BIG HIT on Henson. I find it almost impossible to contest his value to any side, because to contest it has overtones of you not watching him as much as someone who recognizes his talent. he rarely makes wrong decisions.

Though his massive impact into any welsh campaigns of he has started (2005 and 2008 GS) may prove a point if you would rather a STATISIC than to watch him play.

I agree that the 12s you mentioned are awsome and a pleasure to watch, but Henson is better still.

i thought the most contentious issue of my selection was to go for Bowe over Williams ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Mar 31 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Mar 31 2009, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I'm not saying don't pick Henson at 12, nor that he isn't a world-class player, but it's like saying Paul Gasgoigne was the world's best midfielder. If I was picking a world team, I would put Giteau, de Villiers, Nonu, Hernandez in before Henson.[/b]
fair comment ginger nuts

but can you see why i have selected those players.. i want a fast, open team that run, and spread the defense and open holes.

we need a light fast pack.

inside backs that can think and play whats infront of them

we need wingers that will light the touch line with pace and not with guile

we need a team that can keep possession and move it around.



Ryan Jones has not gone a long way backwards, i would select Jones over Heaslip because of his work on the ground, Jones is more successful in the ruck, he fights and wins the ball more.

Jones also has a very powerful running game to. Heaslip scored tries and ran a lot this six nations while ferris and wallace hide from the lime light they usually occupy and did the grunt work maintain possession.



Tom James - well should Geechs select him, he could well be what john bentley was to the last tour. and we need a big winger with skill and pace as an option to most of the other wingers that may go who are smaller stature, other options to james are shane horgan who is not that good anymore and the big wingers from england like Banahan and Cohen are a bit to thick for the kinda of game i would like to see the lions play with Henson and Cipriani organising attack.


Cipriani, i would take James Hook if h was on form, but he needs a kick up the arse at the moment. I hope Hook goes on the tour because it would do him the world of good, and possibly do the lions some good too.

I would choose to select a fly-half like cipriani or hook because they are inventive if not as consistant as Jones. Jones and O'Gara are to slow passing the ball which causes play to drift wide to quickly and hit the touchline. O'Gara struggles to pass of his left hand too, which to me rules him out completely.

Steve Jones or O'gara are great to play a territory game but i want the lions to run to our strengths out wide, we have brilliant wingers an the best 13 and 15 in the sport, which means Jones or O'Gara would stiffle the talent outside.


I hear your opinion about Henson bit is very common place, TRENDY even to dissregard him but, I vehemently disagree.

Henson is the finest reader of the game at 12, and creates the most time and space i have ever seen in a player, sometimes it looks as though a defense are reluctant to tackle him. you very very rarely see a defender get a BIG HIT on Henson. I find it almost impossible to contest his value to any side, because to contest it has overtones of you not watching him as much as someone who recognizes his talent. he rarely makes wrong decisions.

Though his massive impact into any welsh campaigns of he has started (2005 and 2008 GS) may prove a point if you would rather a STATISIC than to watch him play.

I agree that the 12s you mentioned are awsome and a pleasure to watch, but Henson is better still.

i thought the most contentious issue of my selection was to go for Bowe over Williams ?
[/b][/quote]

James over Williams who to me would be a shoe-in.

I personally wouldn't pick Bowe; I think there are better wingers, starting with Fitzgerald... but at the same time he is a decent player and I don't think it's a major arguing point who fills the other wing slot next to shane.
 

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