Spring Tour: South Africa v England -2nd Test. (16/06/2012 15:00GMT)

[TRF_Olyy]

No offence, but I hope you have a very boring anniversary :lol:

 

[Gena_ZA]

lol, was waiting for the humorous comments from both sides Olly

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Anniversaries come and go, the England Series is only once. Tell her that.

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[TRF_Olyy]

Thomas Waldrom has replaced Dowson on the bench.
I would've preferred Haskell, to be honest, but he'll Waldrom will make a good impact player coming on at 60.

 

[Patchey]

Something Martin Corry said on his column over at Planet Rugby:

he other flank, Chris Robshaw, showed just what an effective international he is becoming. People have long lamented England's perceived lack of a traditional 7, but Robshaw's workrate, intelligence and leadership is making an absolute mockery of those comments. He is both an exceptional Test player and leader.

Do people agree with that analysis?

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Robshaw shows the same qualities as Warburton. Leadership, good attitude and a really good intelligent lad who knows what to say in public. I always thought Tom Croft would be a good pick but Robshaw shows what is needed

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[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

putting Tuilagi closer to the forwards might work against them when guys like Willem Alberts and co. starts to tackle him backwards and then not provide good front foot ball.

I think you've misunderstood physics. Being big doesn't mean you can actually tackle backwards big guys running at pace. With Tuilagi defenders are exposed to his upper body strength before they can even get in a position to tackle.Thats why Cuthbert/Steyn/de Villiers and other large guys get barged off - they haven't even been able to get their arms round him yet! I definitely don't think Tuilagi can be disrupted physically.

i'm honestly far more worried about SOuth Africa going forward, as you have so many more ball carriers

 

[racingmetrofan]

True but he's not that type of player he's already got most of the stuff that experience brings and that's what's remarkable about him. He's better than Priestland based on Priestland's current form but if both are on form Priestland is better.

Lets remember that at club level he has been moved around to 12 and occasionally 13 quite often this season, which is why he doesn't have the most developed attacking game. It doesn't mean he is incapable of it.

 

[big ginger 8]

Playing in the center doesn't stop attacking skills in fact it should help develop them.

 

[Teh Mite]

Sherry? What are you, a fullback or something?

 

[TRF_heineken]

I think you've misunderstood physics. Being big doesn't mean you can actually tackle backwards big guys running at pace. With Tuilagi defenders are exposed to his upper body strength before they can even get in a position to tackle.Thats why Cuthbert/Steyn/de Villiers and other large guys get barged off - they haven't even been able to get their arms round him yet! I definitely don't think Tuilagi can be disrupted physically.

i'm honestly far more worried about SOuth Africa going forward, as you have so many more ball carriers

I completely understand Physics, when something bigger and stronger drives against something smaller and weaker, then the stronger item will have more momentum, hence the reason I mentioned Willem Alberts, I could also mention Beast, Bismarck and even Frans Steyn as they are bigger than Tuilagi. Steyn is 1.91 M tall and weighs in at 110kg's...


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[Feicarsinn]

I completely understand Physics, when something bigger and stronger drives against something smaller and weaker, then the stronger item will have more momentum, hence the reason I mentioned Willem Alberts, I could also mention Beast, Bismarck and even Frans Steyn as they are bigger than Tuilagi. Steyn is 1.91 M tall and weighs in at 110kg's...


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Nope.

 

[bushytop]

Frans Ste Steyn is 1.91 M tall and weighs in at 110kg's...

Cuthbert is bigger than Steyn and he didn't do too well.

 

[Peat]

Cuthbert is bigger than Steyn and he didn't do too well.

Nor did Jamie Roberts.

However, that's at 13, where he's virtually impossible to line up as he's always got a bit of space to step into.

At 12 however, it'll be a bit easier to line him up in the ribs and smash him back.

However, I wouldn't have thought it terribly easy, nor would I assume simply other players are stronger than Tuilagi simply because they're bigger and heavier as he is incredibly strong for his size, nor would I think it's likely a guy who grew up playing beach rugby in Samoa, sometimes with his family, would be that phased by getting smashed back. There might be an ego thing making him want to smash it back, but tbh, as long as he smashes it back well, that's ok.

 

[bushytop]

Nor did Jamie Roberts.

However, that's at 13, where he's virtually impossible to line up as he's always got a bit of space to step into.

At 12 however, it'll be a bit easier to line him up in the ribs and smash him back.

However, I wouldn't have thought it terribly easy, nor would I assume simply other players are stronger than Tuilagi simply because they're bigger and heavier as he is incredibly strong for his size, nor would I think it's likely a guy who grew up playing beach rugby in Samoa, sometimes with his family, would be that phased by getting smashed back. There might be an ego thing making him want to smash it back, but tbh, as long as he smashes it back well, that's ok.

Tuilagi looks to have a real low center of gravity too... so hitting him high isn't gonna be that effective. Warburton showed everyone how its done.

 

[eot345]

I completely understand Physics, when something bigger and stronger drives against something smaller and weaker, then the stronger item will have more momentum, hence the reason I mentioned Willem Alberts, I could also mention Beast, Bismarck and even Frans Steyn as they are bigger than Tuilagi. Steyn is 1.91 M tall and weighs in at 110kg's...


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You are very mistaken Tuilangi weighs 112Kg whilst Bismark weighs just 106Kg steyn being 110kg is LESS then Tuilangi who is is also exceptionally strong I have seen videos of him jump squatting 220Kg over 12 months ago he has put on additional size and strength since then. Tuilangi has better Gym stats (well bench and squat) as far as I know then any guy in the SA team, better than Bismark and Spies at least.

 

[bushytop]

You are very mistaken Tuilangi weighs 112Kg whilst Bismark weighs just 106Kg steyn being 110kg is LESS then Tuilangi who is is also exceptionally strong I have seen videos of him jump squatting 220Kg over 12 months ago he has put on additional size and strength since then. Tuilangi has better Gym stats (well bench and squat) as far as I know then any guy in the SA team, better than Bismark and Spies at least.

I have no idea what Bismark and Spies lift but I'd imagine their both pretty damn strong (as is Tuilagi I'm sure). How do you know their gym stats?

 

[Sker]

How about we just see what happens on the field tomorrow instead of arguing who can do a better bicep curl

 

[peanuts40]

Every time I watch Tuilagi (His big brother as well infact) I have always been disappointed. Never seen him have a good game against decent opposition eg. Last week against the Boks, and his brother last year at the WC for Samoa against the Boks.

 

[SomeOke]

Tuilagi is a massive threat, and a dangerous player. What he does well he does better than Frans Steyn, Frans may have a slightly more varied skill set but there it is.
It's tacky to put down English players (until we get the sweep that is )