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New Zealand v France WC 07 Part 2. 
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nicolaas777
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that really wasn't the best game from SA...wales played (much) better than last weekend but we didn't nearly do our best even if we still won by 16 points....
too bad he's the only guy you have...
too bad he's the only guy you have...
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Steve-o
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43-17... Bloemfontein
37-21 ... Pretoria
Now, you don't lose Test matches like that because the ball, or the refs decision, didn't fall in your favour. So for FFS stop whining because crap decisions went both ways. There's no way Jones would of stopped a charging De Villiers, it was obstruction that made no difference.
Anyway, much improved performance by the Welsh. Basic errors were kept to a minimum.
Too say the Boks were trying to play a different gameplan is an understatement. They ran it out of their 22 more times than they kicked it. I'm not sure I'm happy with Matfield doing chips through from the wing. Our right wing is looking vulnerable with Chavhanga there, still very much a rough diamond. Bet that the Aussies and Kiwis picked that up.
With hindsight the Boks always played proper rugby and added points when they were needed.
I'm not sure we can play this loose rugby in the Tri-Nations yet, I'm not satisfied with the performance.
37-21 ... Pretoria
Now, you don't lose Test matches like that because the ball, or the refs decision, didn't fall in your favour. So for FFS stop whining because crap decisions went both ways. There's no way Jones would of stopped a charging De Villiers, it was obstruction that made no difference.
Anyway, much improved performance by the Welsh. Basic errors were kept to a minimum.
Too say the Boks were trying to play a different gameplan is an understatement. They ran it out of their 22 more times than they kicked it. I'm not sure I'm happy with Matfield doing chips through from the wing. Our right wing is looking vulnerable with Chavhanga there, still very much a rough diamond. Bet that the Aussies and Kiwis picked that up.
With hindsight the Boks always played proper rugby and added points when they were needed.
I'm not sure we can play this loose rugby in the Tri-Nations yet, I'm not satisfied with the performance.
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loratadine
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we will have you in the autumn
we will have you
but yea congrats south africa
a much deserved test win
best of luck for the tri nations
we will have you
but yea congrats south africa
a much deserved test win
best of luck for the tri nations
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gingergenius
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I think every result we've seen shows that atm, all the SH sides have to do is raise a finger and they take the game away. Which basically proves to me that the 6N was a poor tournament this season; there weren't any good teams in it... in fact, with the occasional exception of France and at times Ireland, I don't think there's been any outstanding team in Europe since 2003
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Macsen
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Well it was a much improved Wales from last week, buts I still don't think we were at the same level as the team that won the Grand Slam.
Looking at the other games today SA are clearly the best side in the SH but will probably narrowly lose the Tri Nations to NZ just because they have two matches at home.
Had this game been played at home and without all the injuries I think Wales would have beaten SA though. We'll soon find out!
Looking at the other games today SA are clearly the best side in the SH but will probably narrowly lose the Tri Nations to NZ just because they have two matches at home.
Had this game been played at home and without all the injuries I think Wales would have beaten SA though. We'll soon find out!
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loratadine
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just cannot get over how good shane williams is
every time he gets the ball he looks dangerous
he surely now has to be considered as one of wales' greatest players ever.
every time he gets the ball he looks dangerous
he surely now has to be considered as one of wales' greatest players ever.
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Cymro
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Just watched the game and I am pleased with Wales effort in this test! The Boks once again showed why they are the World Champions but Wales did play well in spells!
I dont see why many of Welsh lads are moaning about the ref, the only two things was wrong was the first and last try for Wales, first one because he blocked Jones but would Jones have stopped him? Not really! The last try as someone mentioned the 10m rule but also could have given it as double movement because the player got up and moved whilst held but I cant complain because the Boks were the team that deserved the win.
At the end of the day I see Ref's obstructing loads of players from time to time and they way to stop it is to push them out of the way. Lads its not something to really blame the defeat on because ref's do make a few mistakes during games!
Now back to moan about the Welsh squad, my point was proven about Rhys Thomas, he failed to hold himself in the scrum, made mistakes in the lineout and he was just as mobile as Adam Jones was in the pack last game!
I felt Cooper did well and gave great service to the backs, Roberts looked good at 12 and Hook was a tidy player at 15. Dissapointment was to see Delve leave, bloke is unlucky with his injuries!
I feel the scoreline was not a fair reflection of the game but again the Boks played the best rugby and therefore won.
I dont see why many of Welsh lads are moaning about the ref, the only two things was wrong was the first and last try for Wales, first one because he blocked Jones but would Jones have stopped him? Not really! The last try as someone mentioned the 10m rule but also could have given it as double movement because the player got up and moved whilst held but I cant complain because the Boks were the team that deserved the win.
At the end of the day I see Ref's obstructing loads of players from time to time and they way to stop it is to push them out of the way. Lads its not something to really blame the defeat on because ref's do make a few mistakes during games!
Now back to moan about the Welsh squad, my point was proven about Rhys Thomas, he failed to hold himself in the scrum, made mistakes in the lineout and he was just as mobile as Adam Jones was in the pack last game!
I felt Cooper did well and gave great service to the backs, Roberts looked good at 12 and Hook was a tidy player at 15. Dissapointment was to see Delve leave, bloke is unlucky with his injuries!
I feel the scoreline was not a fair reflection of the game but again the Boks played the best rugby and therefore won.
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dullonien
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Yeah, he was deffinately pushed around in the scrum. But as you pointed out, he didn't appear in the loose enough to compensate for that. It was a mistake from Gatland not to start Adam Jones! Then again, Jones needs to be pushed for his place, he still needs to get in trim, dropping him for matches like this might be the motivation necessary!
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Cymro
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Yeah, he was deffinately pushed around in the scrum. But as you pointed out, he didn't appear in the loose enough to compensate for that. It was a mistake from Gatland not to start Adam Jones! Then again, Jones needs to be pushed for his place, he still needs to get in trim, dropping him for matches like this might be the motivation necessary!
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Could not agree more, Adam is no where near the finished article but the way hes is dropping weight hopefully by next year we will see a bigger impact from him. But Adam does need pushing. But with the Horse about to regain full fitness there will be another 3 for that number 3 shirt!
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Gay-Guy
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In the Eng/NZ game the ref got in the way of the English halfback and virtually tackled him lol!
With S.A running the ball from their 22......perhaps they are seeing if they can play the expansive NZ game? It does look like they do know how to get the points when this type of running rugby from deep is not working...so at least they can fall back on that.
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Cymro
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In the Eng/NZ game the ref got in the way of the English halfback and virtually tackled him lol!
With S.A running the ball from their 22......perhaps they are seeing if they can play the expansive NZ game? It does look like they do know how to get the points when this type of running rugby from deep is not working...so at least they can fall back on that.
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Yes our Nige got a push
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Thingimubob
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just saw the game, ref wasn't superb, but meh, all sports fans like to moan about the ref. But this was the performance they should have put in last week, to maybe shake the Boks a bit. But yeah, SA showed why they're the World Champions. Shane...man, he's just brilliant, 4 Boks sent all over the place! Anybody get a GIF/Video of that? But yeah, Januerie's try was fanastic, great skill from Matfield (who looks wierd without a beard) and Watson (Still can't believe Stephen Jones only rated him 5/10 for the last test in the Times!) to create it. But yeah, I think a full strength Wales team is capable of beating them, especially in Cardiff. The Boks weren't perfect today, and were still impressive, can see them doing very well in the Tri-Nations. You have my support! Pob Lwc i chi, yr Springboks!
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Incredible Schalk
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I was more impressed with Wales today than in any 6 nations match. They competed superbly in what is one of the most difficult atmospheres in the world to play in against the world champions and they matched them for an hour. There's nothing to choose between the Boks and the All Blacks although i would say the AB's would edge it with their more fluent attacks. Im not to sure the Springboks will be happy, the win was good but the performance except the first 20 was very patchy and littered with mistakes and turnovers.
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loratadine
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i love shane williams
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Thingimubob
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don't we all? well, ok, apart from Ripper and Prestwick, who think he's a 'midget'. 5'8'' isn't THAT short, just is compared to the likes of Roberts and Matfield.
heh, I even have a claim to Shane fame, my parents come from the same place as him, and my little cousin plays for Shane's old club's (Amman United RFC) u11's.
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KZNSharksFan
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It's nice to hear a welshman not blaming wales' loss on the ref!! I would understand if the points margin was a bit closer! Come on, some of you guys ripped into the AB's supporters for their grievances over Wayne Barnes! They were at least justified in their moaning.
Anyway, i think Wales studied SA's game very well and disrupted them effectively. Shane williams was superb, bloody Chavhanga should not play against Aus or NZ, he can't catch consistently and he can't defend. I am very disappointed with SA, they showed flashes of brilliance, then got cocky and had their hand smacked like a naughty 5 year old. They played like it was round-bloody-one of the super 14. PDV, is really ******* me off with his new "we'll run the AB's off their feet" approach to rugby. Don't break something that works well you buffoon!!
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gingergenius
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yes. wales have lacked a good back 3 player since ieuan(sp?) evans. A few years ago he was meh, he did the odd good thing amidst a bunch of awful shite. Now he's world class. I still think Henson's quality as well.
A shame Williams is 31 already...
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dullonien
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Don't confuse complaining about the ref as blaming the ref for us loosing. We were perfectly within our rights to have a good old moan after being on the wrong end of two below par reffing displays.
I think every Welsh supporter here has said that SA deserved the win, they were the better team over the 80mins. Wales contributed waaay more to their loss than the ref. Our linouts deprived us of almost all our attacking platform, coupled with a poor scrum today meant we shouldn't of been within reach after 60min, let alone in the lead!
What kept us in the game? Our defence, today you saw what alot of us were harping on about before last weeks game. Wales are a physical team, who is capable of fronting up, not sure what happened last week, but today they proved themselves.
Just a pitty we can't find one hooker who can throw (though I thought SA linout jumping was quite spectacular, forcing mistakes). When we have Martyn Williams back in at 7 (still ned a proper openside cover), Phillips at scrum half who will match any SA forward for physicallity, Henson at 12 to organise our backline and create space out wide, and finally Lee Burne back as a rock at 15 who relieves pressure with a huge boot we should put up a much better fight.
Wales have got a long way to go, but were steadily progressing. It was nice to see the change in the Welsh players today, they started to believe they could win that match midway through the second half, but alas SA at home are too good at the moment, and will be for a couple more years I think.
I think every Welsh supporter here has said that SA deserved the win, they were the better team over the 80mins. Wales contributed waaay more to their loss than the ref. Our linouts deprived us of almost all our attacking platform, coupled with a poor scrum today meant we shouldn't of been within reach after 60min, let alone in the lead!
What kept us in the game? Our defence, today you saw what alot of us were harping on about before last weeks game. Wales are a physical team, who is capable of fronting up, not sure what happened last week, but today they proved themselves.
Just a pitty we can't find one hooker who can throw (though I thought SA linout jumping was quite spectacular, forcing mistakes). When we have Martyn Williams back in at 7 (still ned a proper openside cover), Phillips at scrum half who will match any SA forward for physicallity, Henson at 12 to organise our backline and create space out wide, and finally Lee Burne back as a rock at 15 who relieves pressure with a huge boot we should put up a much better fight.
Wales have got a long way to go, but were steadily progressing. It was nice to see the change in the Welsh players today, they started to believe they could win that match midway through the second half, but alas SA at home are too good at the moment, and will be for a couple more years I think.
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Macsen
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When did you hear the other 2,399,00 other Welshmen blame the result on the ref?
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